Jeep Wrangler Forum banner

1 - 20 of 25 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
34 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Hey guys,

I just bought a 2005 TJ 4.0 6 speed with 55k miles. It used to be a plow jeep so as you can imagine I've been running into a fair amount of problems with it. One seems to be the clutch. When I press the clutch about 75-80% it gives me a pretty noticeable "clicking" noise. It seems to only do it while its warm though.

I took it to the dealership and the mechanic told me one of the springs on the clutch fingers has popped off and is causing that clicking noise. Seeing as this is my first manual trans, I dont know much about them but I didn't think there were springs on the clutch fingers. Does this sound like it could cause the clicking noise? If so, why would it only do it while warm?

I will probably end up replacing the clutch anyways because I'm pretty sure the throwout bearing is bad. It's pretty difficult to shift into 1st and 2nd and I get that high pitch wining noise on the freeway from the clutch.

Any input would be greatly appreciated, thanks guys!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6 Posts
I had a 2005 with the 6 spd. I had about 70k on mine and it did the same thing. Not sure when it started, it's done it as long as I can remember and has never caused me any problems or gotten any worse. I even had the throw out bearing replaced(at dealers expense b/c I took it in for another noise that they said was the TO bearing, but wasn't) and the noise still remained afterwards. It is an annoyance though...
 

·
Mostly old school..!
Joined
·
12,149 Posts
The pressure plate does contain several springs. Whether that is what is causing the clicking or not is anyones guess, but it really doesn't matter if you have throwout bearing issues (which could also be the source of your clicking). You need to do a clutch job either way.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
12 Posts
My 2013 Jeep Wrangler is going in the shop for the throw out bearing. The noise is like a wrench hitting something under the motor or maybe two marbles hitting. Luckily the mechanic heard the noise and determined what it was. I only have 1977 miles on it. I am curious to know how that got damaged so quickly. I don't even know what causes those to have issues so maybe someone can provide some info on it. I am not new to driving a stick but want to make sure I am not the culprit. Thank goodness for warranties!!!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
34 Posts
Discussion Starter #5
My 2013 Jeep Wrangler is going in the shop for the throw out bearing. The noise is like a wrench hitting something under the motor or maybe two marbles hitting. Luckily the mechanic heard the noise and determined what it was. I only have 1977 miles on it. I am curious to know how that got damaged so quickly. I don't even know what causes those to have issues so maybe someone can provide some info on it. I am not new to driving a stick but want to make sure I am not the culprit. Thank goodness for warranties!!!
What did your mechanic determine it was?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
34 Posts
Discussion Starter #7
Clutch click - YouTube

Here is a video of that annoying noise I am getting when I press the clutch in. Has anyone else heard this and know how to fix it? BTW, I just got a new clutch in it last week because mine had failed. I told my mechanic to keep an eye out for anything in the bell housing or transmission that could be causing this and he said everything looked clean and perfect in there. It definitely is coming from the transmission though and I can even feel it when i put my hand on the bottom of the transmission more towards the front where it mates up to the engine. Any input is appreciated, thanks!
 

·
Mostly old school..!
Joined
·
12,149 Posts
I haven't seen the way the throw out bearing arm on the 6 speed clutch is set up, but on the 5 speed there is a wire clip that holds the passenger side of that arm onto a little ball joint. On both clutch jobs I've done on our Jeeps, those wire clips have broken taking them off and I've had to replace them with new ones. If your 6 speed is set up like that, my guess is that clip is missing in action, and what you are hearing is that end of the arm moving back and forth and hitting the ball that it pivots on. Ask your mechanic if that side of the throw out bearing arm is secured.

In your video, it didn't sound like your engine was running, but that you were just pushing in on the clutch. If that's the case, the only thing that is moving is the throw out bearing arm, the throw out bearing, and the pressure plate.....all clutch parts.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,160 Posts
When mine did that it was the throwout bearing. Just like you I could feel the thud when I put my hand on the trans. It was a new clutch too since after getting the trans swapped. Mine was under warranty.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
34 Posts
Discussion Starter #10
When mine did that it was the throwout bearing. Just like you I could feel the thud when I put my hand on the trans. It was a new clutch too since after getting the trans swapped. Mine was under warranty.
Throwout bearing was replaced with clutch, and the noise still is occurring. Pissing me off!!!
 

·
Mostly old school..!
Joined
·
12,149 Posts
Throwout bearing was replaced with clutch, and the noise still is occurring. Pissing me off!!!
I'd take it back. I just looked up a picture of a 2005 6 speed clutch and it uses the same retainer spring on the throw out arm as the 5 speed.....dollars to donuts it's missing on yours.

Here's a picture of what I believe you are missing..It's called a "return spring" The bottom of it clips over the post of that ball joint, and the round part goes over the top of the throw out arm to keep it against the ball while the opposite end is being pressed against to operate the clutch.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
34 Posts
Discussion Starter #12
I'd take it back. I just looked up a picture of a 2005 6 speed clutch and it uses the same retainer spring on the throw out arm as the 5 speed.....dollars to donuts it's missing on yours.

Here's a picture of what I believe you are missing..It's called a "return spring" The bottom of it clips over the post of that ball joint, and the round part goes over the top of the throw out arm to keep it against the ball while the opposite end is being pressed against to operate the clutch.
That wasn't something that should of been replaced with the clutch is it? If I take it back it they will most likely charge me again for the labor to take it all apart...
 

·
Mostly old school..!
Joined
·
12,149 Posts
That wasn't something that should of been replaced with the clutch is it? If I take it back it they will most likely charge me again for the labor to take it all apart...
That is something that is part of the clutch system, put doesn't come with a clutch kit. My guess is it was probably missing when they took it apart, and they didn't realize there was ever anything there. If it was a dealer shop, they definitely should have caught it, and I would think that any competent mechanic would at least think, "now what holds this end stationary?" So you might be in a little bit of a hard fight (depending on the shop), but I at least would take the picture and go talk to them and see if they're willing to open it back up on their dime. Tell them it not only shows it in the factory service manual, but even the Haynes manual has a picture of it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
34 Posts
Discussion Starter #14
That is something that is part of the clutch system, put doesn't come with a clutch kit. My guess is it was probably missing when they took it apart, and they didn't realize there was ever anything there. If it was a dealer shop, they definitely should have caught it, and I would think that any competent mechanic would at least think, "now what holds this end stationary?" So you might be in a little bit of a hard fight (depending on the shop), but I at least would take the picture and go talk to them and see if they're willing to open it back up on their dime. Tell them it not only shows it in the factory service manual, but even the Haynes manual has a picture of it.
You think I would have some leverage on the shop because they told me the clicking would be gone with a clutch kit and it's not? I'd even supply the clip I just don't wanna pay labor to take it all apart again.
 

·
Mostly old school..!
Joined
·
12,149 Posts
You think I would have some leverage on the shop because they told me the clicking would be gone with a clutch kit and it's not? I'd even supply the clip I just don't wanna pay labor to take it all apart again.
I don't blame you....I wouldn't either. We just put a clutch in my son's Jeep this past labor day, and that same clip was broken. Naturally there wasn't any dealers open, so we just used a piece of safety tie wire and tied it around the post, then twisted it over the arm and it worked fine...heck, even a couple of tie wraps would work. All it does is hold it lightly against the ball. I'm sure the noise is annoying, but the positive is, it really shouldn't do any damage the way it is.

If it were mine and I couldn't get the shop to fix it for free, I'd be tempted to consider boring about an inch hole in the side of the housing to get the clip on, then make a cover for the hole or pop a rubber plug in it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
12 Posts
It was my snap rings!! They replaced the clutch and throw out bearing and then it still made the noise. So the part changers were told to check my transmission by Chrysler to see what may have broken. Well, the snap rings were off and clanging around in there and they have to replace them.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
85 Posts
My 2005 makes the exact same noise as yours in the video. Doesn't seem to hurt anything but its a little annoying. What are they charging you to fix it?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
34 Posts
Discussion Starter #18
It was my snap rings!! They replaced the clutch and throw out bearing and then it still made the noise. So the part changers were told to check my transmission by Chrysler to see what may have broken. Well, the snap rings were off and clanging around in there and they have to replace them.
was yours sounding like mine in the video?
 
1 - 20 of 25 Posts
Top