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Diagnosing Death Wobble and Fixing Non-DW Shimmies and Wobbles

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The videos are kind of long at 18-19 minutes each. Hopefully, they are thorough enough to help.

Death Wobble Diagnosis and Inspection Jeep JK Wrangler Part 1 - YouTube
Death Wobble Diagnosis and Inspection Jeep JK Wrangler Part 2 - YouTube

Inspection Checklist is in Post #2.

I'll start out by explaining that Chrysler decided to use a 14 mm trackbar bolt, with a trackbar bushing sleeve designed for a 9/16" bolt, and the trackbar bracket bolt holes are somewhere around 15-16 mm large. This is a sure recipe for DW if the trackbar bolts are not properly torqued and periodically re-torqued to 125 ft. lbs.







Death Wobble is no mystery.
It is caused by loose bolts, damaged components, or improper
installation.

Look at the picture below and follow along:


First, the tie rod (green) has ends that attach to a knuckle on each side. As you could imagine, if either ends of the tie rod were broken or bad, that could be a culprit for a shimmy (not Death Wobble). A common place to damage the tie rod is on the driver's side at the adjusting sleeve (in the picture, just to the right of the red swaybar link). That sleeve (maybe not the correct term for it, but you can see what I am talking about) allows the width of the tie rod to be expanded or contracted. There are threads on that end that can be damaged, causing play on that driver's side and allow an up and down, or circular play movement. Again, this would cause a shimmy, not Death Wobble.

Next, look at the drag link (purple). On one end, it attaches to the pitman arm (lavender), that attaches to the steering gear box. On the other end, the drag link attaches to the passenger side knuckle. When you turn your steering wheel, a shaft turns that goes to the steering gear box. The steering gear box turns the pitman arm, and the pitman arm pushes or pulls the drag link, which pushes or pulls the knuckle. Your steering wheel is straitened by loosening the two nuts on the sleeve/turnbuckle on the drag link and rotating the sleeve/turnbuckle to lengthen or contract the length of the drag link. If either end of the drag link is damaged, this would cause a wobble or shimmy, but not Death Wobble.

Next, look at the trackbar (aqua). It attaches to a bracket on the frame on the driver's side and to the axle on the passenger side. The purpose of the trackbar is to center the axle on the frame. With the axle centered on the frame, it provides some resistance to the steering system to allow you to turn. If there was no trackbar and you turned the steering, the whole front frame would shift. As a result, there is significant force applied to the trackbar in driving and steering.

Now, imagine that the bolts that hold the trackbar are loose in their bolt holes, or that the bolt holes are wallowed out (oval), or that the bushings at the trackbar ends are damaged, or that the bracket at the axle side has come loose because the weld has broken, or that the bushings are all twisted up because the rig has been lifted without the installer loosening the bolts and then retightened them at the new ride height. All these things would allow play in the front trackbar. When you steer or go around a corner, these loose or broken things would allow the axle to shake or slide side to side. If you hit a bump in the road, it could knock the trackbar towards the driver's side. Then, the rest of the suspension (springs, etc.) would try to bring the trackbar back to the passenger side. If you were going at any sort of speed, you could develop a kind of harmonic resonance as the axle more and more violently slide/rocked/shaked from side to side. It would feel like your whole front end was being voilently torn apart. You would have to bring your vehicle to a complete standstill to stop the harmonic resonance. This is Death Wobble.

Even one incident of violent Death Wobble related to the front trackbar can cause significant damage. The voilent harmonic resonance of the back and forth shaking is more than the trackbar bushings, bolt holes, and brackets are designed to handle. A severe Death Wobble occurance can crack or break the welds on the axle side trackbar bracket, or the bolt can wallow out the bolt hole in the bracket, or the bushing can be permanently damaged.

This is the most common source of Death Wobble because inexperienced installers either do not remove the bolt from the trackbar when they install a lift--leaving the bushing pinched in the bracket and bound up, or they do not properly torque the bolts after the lift has been installed with the tires on and the full weight of the vehicle on the ground at ride height, or (maybe the most common) they do not retorque the trackbar bolts after the first 50 miles, after every heavy wheeling trip, and at every oil change interval.

Next, look at the lower control arms (purple) and the upper control arms (light blue). In the picture, they are aftermarket arms with a heim joint on one end. However, the stock control arms have a rubber bushing at each end. When the control arms are properly torqued, the bushing is somewhat pinched in the mounting brackets on the axle and the frame. Sometimes, an installer will make the mistake of not loosening the bolts for the control arms when they install a lift. What happens sometimes is they really bind up the bushings because they are pinched/sandwiched at stock ride height, but then forced to the new lifted ride height. These bound up bushings can cause weird handling, bushing failure, and lead to Death Wobble. The proper way is to loosen the bolts, install the lift, reinstall the wheels so the suspension and jeep are at the new ride height, rock the vehicle/suspension back and forth and side to side, then re-torque the bolts to spec, then after 50 miles re-torque them to spec, then after every oil change or very heavy wheeling trip re-torque them to spec.

Improperly balanced tires, too much air in tires, bent wheels, improperly installed wheel spacers, bad tires (with separated plys), and poor alignment specs (caster, camber, and not enough toe-in) can cause wobbles and shimmies that lead to Death Wobble. However, these precipitate Death Wobble, but they are not the cause of Death Wobble.
Although not specifically identified in the picture, the ball joints that are at the top and bottom of each knuckle where it attaches to the axle C can go bad. Bad ball joints can cause shimmies, wobbles, but usually not full on Death Wobble.

Next, allthough not identified in the picture, the unit bearings can go bad and be a cause of shimmy and wobble, but not Death Wobble.

Hope this helps--assuming you read it all.

Death Wobble is no mystery.

The reason that the steering stabilizer masks it is that it can absorb some of the side to side voilent harmonics of a loose trackbar or damaged mounts. However, this masking is dangerous because it will not prevent the eventual failure of trackbar bracket welds and bolt holes from trackbar Death Wobble.

It is extremely important to immediately diagnose and fix Death Wobble.

Even one episode of DW can damage other components.

Multiple episodes of DW are almost guaranteed to damage other components.






Multiple episodes will often damage your:

    • ball joints
    • tie rod ends--including the adjusting sleeve end on the driver side
    • trackbar bushings
    • trackbar bracket bolt holes
    • steering sector shaft (where the pitman arm attaches to the steering box)
    • steering stabilizer
    • front lower control arm bracket bolt holes
    • unit bearings
    • trackbar bracket welds
    • drag link ends
Hellbound13 is an example of a member who with 5-6 episodes of trackbar related DW on a stock jeep ended up "chasing his tail" for many, many months. He ended up replacing almost everything in the above list--sometimes more than once.


Without repairing/replacing everything that was damaged at once, the remaining damaged components continued to cause DW problems, further damaging the remaining components.


This is Death Wobble (and the guy is extremely foolish for repeating it on purpose):
YouTube - Death Wobble
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Because I'm far from tech savvy, if I were to put coil spacers in my Jeep, do I need to worry about adjusting anything? I'm probably going to have somebody do it because I don't trust myself enough to do it. What do I need to tell them to be sure of adjusting?

I'm assuming they will know what to do, the guy that will do my work used to do a little off roading. But I don't want to leave anything to chance with my family in the vehicle.
The only adjustment required will be the draglink length to recentre the steering wheel.

Before dropping the springs out though, make sure he loosens all control arm and track bolts to allow the bushes to move on the bolts and not twist around themselves.

Once new spacers are in, drop it onto its wheels so the full body weight is on the suspension before doing all the control arm and track bar bolts back up. While he's at it I would recommend twisting the top of the front diff as far back as the slop in the bolts will allow before doing them up to make sure the maximum possible caster is achieved.

Thats it!
The only adjustment required will be the draglink length to recentre the steering wheel.

Before dropping the springs out though, make sure he loosens all control arm and track bolts to allow the bushes to move on the bolts and not twist around themselves.

Once new spacers are in, drop it onto its wheels so the full body weight is on the suspension before doing all the control arm and track bar bolts back up. While he's at it I would recommend twisting the top of the front diff as far back as the slop in the bolts will allow before doing them up to make sure the maximum possible caster is achieved.

Thats it!
Would you recomend having it re-alligned after that to make sure everything is as it should be?
Would you recomend having it re-alligned after that to make sure everything is as it should be?
With lifts of 2.5" or less without adding adjustable control arms, or cambolts (not advisable), an alignment shouldn't be needed.

When you start adding adjustable control arms and lifting taller than 2.5", I believe it is helpful to get an alignment and keep the printout so you have a basis to work from if some extra fine tuning is needed.

An alignment usually does not include an inspection of your ball joints, control arm and trackbar bushings, bolt torque specs, etc.
Fraud

This happened to me driving downhill in fog 2 weeks ago and about scared the life out of me. Not to mention that it shook so badly that it bounced me into the oncoming traffic lane. Thankfully, there was no one coming. I took it the dealer and they acted like they never heard of this before which has to be a complete lie as it happened to my brother last year (he drives the same jeep). How can they get away with something that is SO dangerous and pretend like they don't know what happens? I'm appalled.
This happened to me driving downhill in fog 2 weeks ago and about scared the life out of me. Not to mention that it shook so badly that it bounced me into the oncoming traffic lane. Thankfully, there was no one coming. I took it the dealer and they acted like they never heard of this before which has to be a complete lie as it happened to my brother last year (he drives the same jeep). How can they get away with something that is SO dangerous and pretend like they don't know what happens? I'm appalled.
Have you read posts #1 and #2 of this thread?
This is really detailed, thanks for sharing this. Is this something we need to worry about with a new jeep that has not been modded yet? Should I add this to the checklist everytime I change the oil? I try to change the oil every 3000 to 4000 miles
This is really detailed, thanks for sharing this. Is this something we need to worry about with a new jeep that has not been modded yet? Should I add this to the checklist everytime I change the oil? I try to change the oil every 3000 to 4000 miles
You should re-torque your front trackbar and all your control arm bolts. It will take maybe 10-15 minutes to do.

More than one person has reported that the bolts on a stock, non-modified jeep have been improperly torqued.

After that, you don't really need to worry about it.

Although, you should re-torque your front trackbar bolts at every oil change interval. It takes less than a couple minutes to do with a good torque wrench and second wrench for the frame side bolt & nut.
Thanks - Not Mechanical, but will ask my mechanic to do this for me.
Question: While doing my typical look over under the hood, I reached down and gave an up/down tug on the tie rod, drag link, and the track bar.

While the track bar is immovable, both the tie rod and the drag link can be readily moved up and down by hand. Is this normal?
Just installed a 3.25" lift on my 2011 wrangler 4 door JK and seemed fine until I hit a pothole doing about 65 MPH (Speed limit was 70 MPH) and the front end felt like the whole world was about to end. It was the death wobble as described. I have been offroading and installing my own lift kits for over thirty years with no problems. I can't believe that a few lines of instruction about loosening my front track bar and re torquing after installed were not included. This is some pretty important info and thank goodness this forum is here. Thanks for the technical info. it may just have saved my jeep or even my life!!
jkclyde
Question: While doing my typical look over under the hood, I reached down and gave an up/down tug on the tie rod, drag link, and the track bar.

While the track bar is immovable, both the tie rod and the drag link can be readily moved up and down by hand. Is this normal?
Depends what you mean by up and down movement. As the bars are not straight, 'lifting' will make it rotate (and quite easily), this is normal.

If you can make the rod end move up and down then the rod ends are stuffed.
Just installed a 3.25" lift on my 2011 wrangler 4 door JK and seemed fine until I hit a pothole doing about 65 MPH (Speed limit was 70 MPH) and the front end felt like the whole world was about to end. It was the death wobble as described. I have been offroading and installing my own lift kits for over thirty years with no problems. I can't believe that a few lines of instruction about loosening my front track bar and re torquing after installed were not included. This is some pretty important info and thank goodness this forum is here. Thanks for the technical info. it may just have saved my jeep or even my life!!
jkclyde
What caster correcting gear was used in the lift? Have you had the caster checked since installing the lift? What wheels/tyres and offset do you have?
SeaComms said:
Depends what you mean by up and down movement. As the bars are not straight, 'lifting' will make it rotate (and quite easily), this is normal.

If you can make the rod end move up and down then the rod ends are stuffed.
I can grab either the tie rod or the drag link around their center point, and "lift" either bar. They basically feel like they're hinged--like I'm lifting a lid.

Sounds to me more like the lifting to make it "rotate" that you mentioned . . . and I haven't had any adverse handling characteristics. How would I check to see if I can make "the rod end move up and down"?
MTH said:
I can grab either the tie rod or the drag link around their center point, and "lift" either bar. They basically feel like they're hinged--like I'm lifting a lid.

Sounds to me more like the lifting to make it "rotate" that you mentioned . . . and I haven't had any adverse handling characteristics. How would I check to see if I can make "the rod end move up and down"?
Always thought "up and down" was how it's designed and whats normal. Lateral (correct) would be a no no. Or sloppy on the ball joints.

Also that is the clunk manual jeepers often hear I think.
kjeeper10 said:
Always thought "up and down" was how it's designed and whats normal. Lateral (correct) would be a no no. Or sloppy on the ball joints.

Also that is the clunk manual jeepers often hear I think.
That would coordinate with what I'm seeing. Up/down can be easily done, left/right has no play.
MTH said:
That would coordinate with what I'm seeing. Up/down can be easily done, left/right has no play.
I think you were involved in a thread and the poster uploaded a video saying "is this normal" He grabbed the links and moved them "up and down"
Still worried that his jeep was broken visited his dealership to find that the other brand new jeeps did the same-- just not as easily.
I think the ball joints loosen up a little and they will clunk around a little more with time.
This is mostly all answered in posts #1 & #2.

The tie rod must have rotational play to allow the suspension to cycle.

There should be no meaningful up and down or side to side play in the tie rod or drag link ends.

There should be no meaningful up and down play in the ball joints.

There should be no play with trackbar ends where they bolt to the brackets.

The swaybar links should not be loose enough to clunk.

A lift over 2.5" should have caster correction with adjustable front lower control arms. It can be done with cambolts for a street only driven rig.

The only 3.25" lift I am aware if us the Rough Country. It is incomplete, with shocks that are too stiff, no adjustable front trackbar, no extended bumpstops, and no adjustable front lower control arms. It is more prone to wobbles due to the lack of caster correction, but this is not the main source of full on DW.
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Yes, I've read #1 & #2. What I'm saying is that Jeep must be aware of this problem and decided it would be better not to acknowledge. My brother had to take his jeep back 4 times and they finally said it was the breaks seizing. When it happened to me, I took it straight to the dealer, within 15 mins, and they told me that absolutely nothing was wrong with my car. When I explained the shaking like the car was going to tear in two, they looked at me like I was crazy. So my point it, that either they don't have a way of reporting what must be the hundreds of cases (if not thousands) to a national database for review or they must be choosing not to make the recall and risk the lives of their customers. I believe it's the latter.
Yes, I've read #1 & #2. What I'm saying is that Jeep must be aware of this problem and decided it would be better not to acknowledge. My brother had to take his jeep back 4 times and they finally said it was the breaks seizing. When it happened to me, I took it straight to the dealer, within 15 mins, and they told me that absolutely nothing was wrong with my car. When I explained the shaking like the car was going to tear in two, they looked at me like I was crazy. So my point it, that either they don't have a way of reporting what must be the hundreds of cases (if not thousands) to a national database for review or they must be choosing not to make the recall and risk the lives of their customers. I believe it's the latter.
There is incompetence in the dealer tech training and with Chrysler.

DW is an problem that can happen with any solid axle front vehicle with a trackbar.

It has been a serious, but infrequent, problem since the 1984 Cherokee XJs, and the 1997 Jeep Wrangler TJs. It happens with solid front axle Dodge trucks that have control arms and a trackbar.

DW is most always trackbar related. The engineers at Chrysler tried to reduce the frequency of the problem on JKs with a beefier design for the front trackbar than with TJs and XJs. Even mid stream on JKs, the newer models have a different design for the frame side trackbar end.

DW on JKs is infrequent on stock rigs, but it happens.

DW is most common on JKs with lifts installed by inexperienced owners or shops, or with JKs that are not properly maintained.

As I mentioned in post #1, Chrysler decided to cut corners and uses bolts that are too small compared to the front trackbar bracket bolt holes and bolt sleeves.

They should do a recall of all JKs and install 9/16" front trackbar bolts.

They should properly train their techs to diagnose and fix DW.

They should include re-torquing the front trackbar to 125 ft lbs at every oil change interval as part of the recommended maintenance.

Because DW is so uncommon, Chrysler has not taken action to address it.

The most common progression of DW is:

  1. After improper installation or poor maintenance, the front trackbar bolts are loose and/or the trackbar bushings are damaged.
  2. The jeep experiences DW that damages the trackbar bracket holes and/or trackbar bracket welds.
  3. Instead of immediately fixing it, the jeep owner continues to drive the jeep, and multiple episodes of DW damage the ball joints, tie rod ends, drag link end, front upper axle side control arm bushings, etc., etc.
  4. After multiple components are damaged, the jeep owner takes it to a dealer or shop that is incompetent, and they install a new steering stabilizer to mask the problems.
  5. After a relatively short period of time, the new steering stabilizer fails, and the DW gets worse.
  6. Instead of inspecting and fixing everything at once, the shop or owner starts fixing components one at a time, but the remaining damaged components end up damaging the new components.
  7. After chasing his/her tail replacing components--sometimes more than once--the jeep owner gives up and sells their jeep at a loss in frustration.

...or, the DW never happens because the installations are correctly done and the jeep is properly maintained.

...or, after even one episode of DW, the jeep owner goes through the entire checklist in post #2 and easily diagnoses and fixes the problem(s), and it never happens again.
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