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I will be running the El Camino del Diablo trail from Nov 9th through the 11th. This adventure trail runs from Ajo to Yuma mostly along the Arizona and Mexico border. It is desolate and requires preparation and permits to access the area. It does go through the military training area SE of Yuma. It is recommended to take 3 days to make this trip.

I have not done this specific trail before, but these adventures are my specialty so I know how to plan and hopefully identify all the sights to see and stops to make. If anyone is interested, post up and we'll begin to plan it out.

http://www.fourwheeler.com/events/1605-devils-highway-exploring-the-remote-camino-del-diablo/

https://expeditionportal.com/overland-routes-el-camino-del-diablo/

https://azoffroad.net/el-camino-del-diablo
 

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No offense or aspersions meant by the following, just my commentary.

I personally would be hesitant to run a trail that close to the Mex border. I had a sobering incident about 10 years ago in my car off I-8 that contributes to that. I pulled off to take a simple leak. Don't recall of it was the stretch in CA or AZ. It was like 11pm. For some reason I drove maybe 50 yards from the freeway instead of staying on the exit ramp. This was an isolated ramp with no buildings or lights and the road just off the ramp was dirt. I paused a few mins to text or something. I then noticed some headlights approaching me at high speed on the dirt road. The car whipped around behind me and had its brights on. I had no idea what was happening and for a few seconds thought maybe this was going to be an attempted robbery. Then an officer got on the PA and announced that I was to put my hands in view and do nothing. 2 approached with guns drawn at their sides. Needless to say they figured out I wasn't the coyote or drug runner or whatever they were looking for. They cautioned me not to venture off I-8 close to the border for safety's sake. I don't recall if it was sheriffs or border patrol.

No worries about that, never again. Just too much risk of criminal activity for my taste. And I travel with a CCW and weapon always.

Am I too cautious? I've engaged in mountaineering and canyoneering and have had some close scrapes, but potential lawlessness really makes me turn fast.
 

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None taken... There are 2 CBP outposts along the trail. Part of the reason for the permits is that they know you are out there. We will run with a heightened awareness, but not anything over the top or even far off of normal for us.
 
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I like these types of adventures but I'm just not in the mood to play by the border. I'll watch for @Pressurized to setup something like this down the road that's a little more north.
 

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I like these types of adventures but I'm just not in the mood to play by the border. I'll watch for @Pressurized to setup something like this down the road that's a little more north.
Understand...

Our next trip will be to re-run Mojave Rd. No date set yet, but I'll let you know when we have an idea when.
 

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No crime at the border, it's only women and children trying to find a better life. At least that is what I have been told.

In all seriousness, I offroad and camp down there. Depends a lot on location, but I would load up on weapons and ammo just in case. - I do that wherever I go anyway. I have heard that Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument has had some issues in the past.
 

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No crime at the border, it's only women and children trying to find a better life. At least that is what I have been told.

In all seriousness, I offroad and camp down there. Depends a lot on location, but I would load up on weapons and ammo just in case. - I do that wherever I go anyway. I have heard that Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument has had some issues in the past.
And we will be multiple vehicles with most occupants armed... Our awareness will be heightened, but our concern low. I've read a dozen blogs and not a single person has ever seen anything. I don't see a coyote messing with a small caravan out there... They know we don't go out there unprepared.
 

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Understand...

Our next trip will be to re-run Mojave Rd. No date set yet, but I'll let you know when we have an idea when.



Now that you can almost put my name on already.
 
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Sounds like a great trip and some interesting scenery.

Granted this is different (border zone) but I travel Baja a lot and never have any problems.

I like that a lot of people are worried about it - keeps the crowds away. :)


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I will be running the El Camino del Diablo trail from Nov 9th through the 11th. This adventure trail runs from Ajo to Yuma mostly along the Arizona and Mexico border. It is desolate and requires preparation and permits to access the area. It does go through the military training area SE of Yuma. It is recommended to take 3 days to make this trip.

I have not done this specific trail before, but these adventures are my specialty so I know how to plan and hopefully identify all the sights to see and stops to make. If anyone is interested, post up and we'll begin to plan it out.
What would you consider as minimum equipment on vehicle for your group?

Been dying to get out of town for a few days.
 

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What would you consider as minimum equipment on vehicle for your group?

Been dying to get out of town for a few days.
It is not a difficult trail. Mostly 2 track and power line road conditions. There is some sand and silt that can turn to a more challenging mud if we were to encounter rain. So, I'd say 4wd and at least a decent All Terrain tire is all that's needed.

The bigger challenge is self preparedness. Tools, tire repair kits, extra water, compressor, etc. We will have a good selection of those supplies with us. A few of us will be in hard side trailers, but many people will tent camp as well.

This is about as rough as it gets...
 

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It is not a difficult trail. Mostly 2 track and power line road conditions. There is some sand and silt that can turn to a more challenging mud if we were to encounter rain. So, I'd say 4wd and at least a decent All Terrain tire is all that's needed.

The bigger challenge is self preparedness. Tools, tire repair kits, extra water, compressor, etc. We will have a good selection of those supplies with us. A few of us will be in hard side trailers, but many people will tent camp as well.

This is about as rough as it gets...
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Understand...

Our next trip will be to re-run Mojave Rd. No date set yet, but I'll let you know when we have an idea when.
Enlighten me about Mohave road. I have not heard of it.

I'm going to Florida 11/12. If not, I would seriously consider this excursion. I've been doing day runs for 5 years. I'd like to start doing overnight trips, a little over landing. Do something different. I have plenty of tools and recovery gear. Assuming my camping gear has not been eaten by bugs above the garage, I have that too.
 

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Enlighten me about Mohave road. I have not heard of it.

I'm going to Florida 11/12. If not, I would seriously consider this excursion. I've been doing day runs for 5 years. I'd like to start doing overnight trips, a little over landing. Do something different. I have plenty of tools and recovery gear. Assuming my camping gear has not been eaten by bugs above the garage, I have that too.
Mojave Road begins at the Colorado River on the Nevada side a few miles below Laughlin. It's about 140 miles to Barstow California crossing the Mojave National Preserve. Takes 3 days if you stop to see the sights... It's a bit more challenging than El Camino del Diablo, but nothing unreasonable. Just one obstacle...

https://www.dangerousroads.org/north-america/usa/2636-mojave-road.html

https://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/1043-mojave-road

It can look like this for a while...



Or this...

 

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This would be a good fun trip. Trips like this are why I bought the Turtleback. Dont think I can make this one, but please keep posting these and Ill make more than I miss I hope.

One trail Im really wanting to do is the White Rim up in Moab.
 

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This would be a good fun trip. Trips like this are why I bought the Turtleback. Dont think I can make this one, but please keep posting these and Ill make more than I miss I hope.

One trail Im really wanting to do is the White Rim up in Moab.
We try to do 2 or 3 of these a year... I know we want to do Mojave Rd again, not sure on the dates, but possibly early March. I know we also want to run The Great Western Trail from Phoenix to the Grand Canyon...

We've done a day trip on White Rim... That's a beautiful drive. In the right time of year, that would be an excellent run. The sights are amazing.

 

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Im in for the Great Western run! Keep us posted on the dates. how many people normally make these runs?
 

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The wife and i are thinking about doing Mojave road on the way to norther Az and then up through Utah to Skyline, loop through parts of Colorado then back to So Cal in about 3 weeks.


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I will be running the El Camino del Diablo trail from Nov 9th through the 11th. This adventure trail runs from Ajo to Yuma mostly along the Arizona and Mexico border. It is desolate and requires preparation and permits to access the area. It does go through the military training area SE of Yuma. It is recommended to take 3 days to make this trip.

I have not done this specific trail before, but these adventures are my specialty so I know how to plan and hopefully identify all the sights to see and stops to make. If anyone is interested, post up and we'll begin to plan it out.

Devil?s Highway: Exploring the Remote Camino del Diablo

https://expeditionportal.com/overland-routes-el-camino-del-diablo/

https://azoffroad.net/el-camino-del-diablo
Is this trip still on??

How far in advance do you need permits
 

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I will be running the El Camino del Diablo trail from Nov 9th through the 11th. This adventure trail runs from Ajo to Yuma mostly along the Arizona and Mexico border. It is desolate and requires preparation and permits to access the area. It does go through the military training area SE of Yuma. It is recommended to take 3 days to make this trip.

I have not done this specific trail before, but these adventures are my specialty so I know how to plan and hopefully identify all the sights to see and stops to make. If anyone is interested, post up and we'll begin to plan it out.

Devil?s Highway: Exploring the Remote Camino del Diablo

https://expeditionportal.com/overland-routes-el-camino-del-diablo/

https://azoffroad.net/el-camino-del-diablo
Is this trip still on??

How far in advance do you need permits
Yes, I'm going to check it out on Tuesday. I'll post up what I find out...
 
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