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Finally saw a Gladiator out in the wild with the wife. We are in the market for a new vehicle and she loved it! One stipulation, has to be a diesel, we had a cheater VW and sold it back to VW for a ridiculous deal but want our next vehicle to be a diesel.

Already have a 98 TJ, would love to see two Jeeps in the garage!
 

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1) They've promised EcoDiesel to the JL guys for 3 model years now, and it's still not on the order sheet. I'm wondering if it'll ever actually happen.
2) Diesel averages $0.50 per gallon more in the U.S. which eats up a lot of the money saved on fuel economy.
3) Diesel is only available at 51% of stations in the U.S. according to AAA, which means that your "range" is actually limited by fear of finding fuel.
4) The upfront cost is going to be thousands of dollars.
5) Maintenance is going to run 100-150% more cost.
6) The track record on this engine is horrendous with cam sprocket failures, CP4 injection pump failures, etc. The new one will have to prove itself.
7) The emissions controls on this new engine are going to be insane and unreliable.
 

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1) They've promised EcoDiesel to the JL guys for 3 model years now, and it's still not on the order sheet. I'm wondering if it'll ever actually happen. 2) Diesel averages $0.50 per gallon more in the U.S. which eats up a lot of the money saved on fuel economy. 3) Diesel is only available at 51% of stations in the U.S. according to AAA, which means that your "range" is actually limited by fear of finding fuel. 4) The upfront cost is going to be thousands of dollars. 5) Maintenance is going to run 100-150% more cost. 6) The track record on this engine is horrendous with cam sprocket failures, CP4 injection pump failures, etc. The new one will have to prove itself. 7) The emissions controls on this new engine are going to be insane and unreliable.

They are releasing this engine in the Dodge 1500 pickups soon and I will closely follow the reviews and maintenance issues. I know they made a lot of improvements on the engine and I am hoping the Cam sprocket is one of them. I have found no specifics on the improvements yet though.
I’m not worried about diesel fuel availability, there are enough diesel vehicles out there it shouldn’t be a problem.
I don’t plan on necessary saving any money overall (cost of diesel vs has) but having a longer range on a single tank makes trips out to the boonies lower risk.
Overall I figure I have at least a year to see how the new engines perform before the make any JTs with them. I will wait and see at this point.
 

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I am waiting for it to come out...

I ended up buying a ZR2 Bison Diesel to keep me calm for now... but have to be honest... I will be very tempted to buy a Gladiator Diesel when it comes out. Had it been out it would have been in my driveway already.

Not complaining about the ZR2 Bison, I just like modifying stuff and a Jeep is perfect to keep me busy modding...so many aftermarket parts available for Jeep over what is available for the ZR2...

I am hoping that I can move over the stuff that I am doing in the ZR2... trying to do everything modular and with the ability to remove and move to another vehicle... I am building everything so it fits under the tonneau cover...
 

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I am waiting for it to come out...

I ended up buying a ZR2 Bison Diesel to keep me calm for now... but have to be honest... I will be very tempted to buy a Gladiator Diesel when it comes out. Had it been out it would have been in my driveway already.

Not complaining about the ZR2 Bison, I just like modifying stuff and a Jeep is perfect to keep me busy modding...so many aftermarket parts available for Jeep over what is available for the ZR2...

I am hoping that I can move over the stuff that I am doing in the ZR2... trying to do everything modular and with the ability to remove and move to another vehicle... I am building everything so it fits under the tonneau cover...
That looks great, I had wondered what everyone would come up with for the bed. I like the Mopar bed storage too, just don’t know how practical it will be long term.
 

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Yes , in town Diesel is harder to find , but on the road every truck stop has it and the bigger chain gas do too. Stations like Loves and Bruns Bros have the cleanest restrooms, ask my wife, and better food anyway!
 

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I've owned half a dozen diesels and never worried about getting fuel - including trips to Baja.

I too was planning to get a ZR2 Bison diesel, but I was holding out for a better transmission in the 2020 mid-cycle refresh. When I found out that the main thing being improved in the 2020 model year was a bigger touch screen (woohoo) I opted for a slightly used JKUR to tide me over until Chevy gets their act together. I think the new turbo 4 from the Sliverado would be a good option in the ZR2 if they ever do that.

For me diesels are all about the torque down low. After owning turbo diesel trucks a few times and actually using that torque I know how useful it is. That being said a turbo 4 would be great, too (for the same reasons) and also great in a Jeep (JL or JT) but not that ungodly Italian hybrid Alfa Romeo thing they are using right now..
 
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I agree with sbsyncro, I owned a 6.2 Diesel 4x4 Suburban, had no problem getting fuel. And with gobs of low end I pulled a Land Cruz up a sandy rock face that he couldn't climb because he forgot to lock his hubs , I motored up to him hooked up and climbed like that little thing wasn't even there. The guys I was with called it the Trash Truck because no matter were I went they could hear me coming....
 

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Isn’t the EcoDiesel that’s going into the Gladiator the same engine that’s been in Dodge trucks for a while now — the one with horrible reliability and complete failures?


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Isn’t the EcoDiesel that’s going into the Gladiator the same engine that’s been in Dodge trucks for a while now — the one with horrible reliability and complete failures?


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Yes, except this is an updated version with even more potential trouble areas such as "low friction cylinder coating and lightweight pistons" and "dual EGR system". They have not publicly stated that they've fixed the issues with the previous generation engine, but they have publicly stated that they're adding even more "junk" to the engine. No thanks...

Ford tried that "low friction coating" with "lightweight pistons" on the 5.0L V8 for the 2018 model year. Go do a Google search and see how that's worked out for them. Those engines are eating themselves alive.
 

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Isn’t the EcoDiesel that’s going into the Gladiator the same engine that’s been in Dodge trucks for a while now — the one with horrible reliability and complete failures?


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Pretty much, with some changes, not necessarily for the better. I'd pass on that engine in a big way. Lets not forget the up-charge for the diesel, no thanks.
 

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1) They've promised EcoDiesel to the JL guys for 3 model years now, and it's still not on the order sheet. I'm wondering if it'll ever actually happen.
2) Diesel averages $0.50 per gallon more in the U.S. which eats up a lot of the money saved on fuel economy.
3) Diesel is only available at 51% of stations in the U.S. according to AAA, which means that your "range" is actually limited by fear of finding fuel.
4) The upfront cost is going to be thousands of dollars.
5) Maintenance is going to run 100-150% more cost.
6) The track record on this engine is horrendous with cam sprocket failures, CP4 injection pump failures, etc. The new one will have to prove itself.
7) The emissions controls on this new engine are going to be insane and unreliable.
1- yes been a rumor for many many years.... this time it looks like it’s going to happen

2- yes some places more, some places less then normal gas.

3- 50% of gas stations I wouldn’t want to visit. Not sure why there would be fear for not being able to get fuel, if you can drive 100-200 miles farther on a tank one would hope you can easily get fuel.

4- yes

5- yes

6/7 - it will be interesting to see how this engine plays out. Which is why it will be a while before I will consider buying one. I want to see how these costs, reliability etc play out

I assume a diesel in a Jeep will be like a diesel in a RV. More torque for driving down the road also with better fuel eco only. Only way this engine financially pays off is if you drive a lot, 10-15k miles or more a year or more and the diesel can be cheaper to run. If miles are kept low then it will cost a lot more to own
 

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8) The FBI arrested a FCA Senior Manager, Emanuele Palma, at his Michigan residence, for his role in illegally tampering with the emission software on the EcoDiesel used in the RAM 1500 and the Jeep Grand Cherokee.

I doubt FCA is very interested in anyone testing the EcoDiesel in the JL or the JT.
 

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Local dealer says the 3.0 diesel in the JT will be here very soon.
 

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Pilots are running now.

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Italian diesel in a Jeep... If you'd said that to me 25 years ago I'd have told you that you were nuts.
 

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Not me.

1) They've promised EcoDiesel to the JL guys for 3 model years now, and it's still not on the order sheet. I'm wondering if it'll ever actually happen.
2) Diesel averages $0.50 per gallon more in the U.S. which eats up a lot of the money saved on fuel economy.
3) Diesel is only available at 51% of stations in the U.S. according to AAA, which means that your "range" is actually limited by fear of finding fuel.
4) The upfront cost is going to be thousands of dollars.
5) Maintenance is going to run 100-150% more cost.
6) The track record on this engine is horrendous with cam sprocket failures, CP4 injection pump failures, etc. The new one will have to prove itself.
7) The emissions controls on this new engine are going to be insane and unreliable.

1. The 2020 JL 3.0L Ecodiesel was at Moab.
2. You can thank Uncle Sam for that. Before they got messing around with it, it used to be $0.10 CHEAPER, I had a Ram Diesel when it was.
3. Better than it used to be.
4. Yes, but less than the Cummins in the Ram 2500
5. Not necessarily so. I sold my '06 Ram 2500 to a friend when it had 60K miles. He is almost to 250,000. The maintenance so far is replacement of the track bar and tie rod at 175,000 - nothing to do with the engine. Granted the EcoDiesel is not a Cummins. But it is the same engine that's in the Ram 1500, but accessories are reconfigured due to space.


The JL diesel will hit next month, Gladiator will be right behind it.

 
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