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Greetings all, new member here and Im looking for advice as I purchase my new jeep. Most recent was an 03 TJ that got sideswiped by a tractor trailer who decided to make a right hand turn from the center lane. Needless to say my vehicle will most likely get totaled once Im done with the lawsuit against his insurance company. Anyways....

Im obviously looking for a new vehicle, and by new vehicle I mean jeep. In addition to the above mentioned, I've also owned a 99 4 cylinder with an auto tran. Im simply not interested in anything newer than 06, and Im most interested in the YJs over the TJ's to be honest. But...


How well will a YJ do highway? Most of my daily commute is 20 mile drives down the interstate to center city and back. How well will a YJ accomplish this? I understand the 4 cylinders of that age are a little gutless, so they'll do it albeit poorly. I currently cruise around 65-70 in my TJ and have no complaints. I was looking to pull the trigger on a 1990 I found on ebay but the seller was adamant that its not the one for me as its a 4 cylinder with 31" tires and "not made for highway" as he put it in addition to having all terrain tires.


Now Im really not big on creature comforts. My 99 didn't have AC, and I've got two motorcycles that I ride the piss out of- one is a 40 year old shovelhead and the other is a 30 year old hardtail. I don't need to be cuddles when I drive/ride and I much appreciate the simplicity and reliability of simple vehicles over the comfort they offer.


That said, how easy are the YJ's to wrench on in comparison to the TJ's? To be frank, I've never really done any work on either of my jeeps- its almost all been on my motorcycles. Part of my desire for a YJ is the seemingly friendly bay and setup that it offers, at the expense of comfort and performance.


Now I've got some time before the court case and I get my settlement so in the meantime I'm looking at all options and vehicles. If I had it my way, I'd find a black 6 cylinder YJ with hardtop, but Im all ears to any advice and words of wisdom.


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Greetings all, new member here and Im looking for advice as I purchase my new jeep. Most recent was an 03 TJ that got sideswiped by a tractor trailer who decided to make a right hand turn from the center lane. Needless to say my vehicle will most likely get totaled once Im done with the lawsuit against his insurance company. Anyways....

Im obviously looking for a new vehicle, and by new vehicle I mean jeep. In addition to the above mentioned, I've also owned a 99 4 cylinder with an auto tran. Im simply not interested in anything newer than 06, and Im most interested in the YJs over the TJ's to be honest. But...


How well will a YJ do highway? Most of my daily commute is 20 mile drives down the interstate to center city and back. How well will a YJ accomplish this? I understand the 4 cylinders of that age are a little gutless, so they'll do it albeit poorly. I currently cruise around 65-70 in my TJ and have no complaints. I was looking to pull the trigger on a 1990 I found on ebay but the seller was adamant that its not the one for me as its a 4 cylinder with 31" tires and "not made for highway" as he put it in addition to having all terrain tires.


Now Im really not big on creature comforts. My 99 didn't have AC, and I've got two motorcycles that I ride the piss out of- one is a 40 year old shovelhead and the other is a 30 year old hardtail. I don't need to be cuddles when I drive/ride and I much appreciate the simplicity and reliability of simple vehicles over the comfort they offer.


That said, how easy are the YJ's to wrench on in comparison to the TJ's? To be frank, I've never really done any work on either of my jeeps- its almost all been on my motorcycles. Part of my desire for a YJ is the seemingly friendly bay and setup that it offers, at the expense of comfort and performance.


Now I've got some time before the court case and I get my settlement so in the meantime I'm looking at all options and vehicles. If I had it my way, I'd find a black 6 cylinder YJ with hardtop, but Im all ears to any advice and words of wisdom.


Thanks!
My current 4.0/AX-15 YJ has a number of road trips on it between 500-1000 miles. I would drive it anywhere. Although it now has 35’s, they are a recent addition and I have driven hundreds of miles at 75-80 with the 4.56’s and 33’s. I certainly don’t baby this thing, and it has seen the high side of 90 a couple of times, GPS verified. The hand throttle makes a great poor man’s cruise control.

Also, with the Rubicon Express springs, it rides better than any Harley I have ever owned, from my ‘78 Low Rider through and including my ‘17 Street Glide with Ohlin’s all around. If you are ok with riding a hard tail still, a YJ will be right up your alley.

I have owned a few TJ’s, starting with a ‘99, but I keep coming back to the leaf sprung stuff, which is where I started 40 years ago when every Jeep had leaves.

I recently sold a “spare” 2.5/AX-5 YJ. It now has 31’s and the OEM 4.10’s. It runs and drives good, just a bit of a slug on long ascending grades. 4th gear is your friend, just have to keep it wound up.

That being said, if you only have one, you may want to look for a 4.0. Drive a couple of each, then make a decision. But just do it.
 

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My current 4.0/AX-15 YJ has a number of road trips on it between 500-1000 miles. I would drive it anywhere. Although it now has 35’s, they are a recent addition and I have driven hundreds of miles at 75-80 with the 4.56’s and 33’s. I certainly don’t baby this thing, and it has seen the high side of 90 a couple of times, GPS verified. The hand throttle makes a great poor man’s cruise control.

Also, with the Rubicon Express springs, it rides better than any Harley I have ever owned, from my ‘78 Low Rider through and including my ‘17 Street Glide with Ohlin’s all around. If you are ok with riding a hard tail still, a YJ will be right up your alley.

I have owned a few TJ’s, starting with a ‘99, but I keep coming back to the leaf sprung stuff, which is where I started 40 years ago when every Jeep had leaves.

I recently sold a “spare” 2.5/AX-5 YJ. It now has 31’s and the OEM 4.10’s. It runs and drives good, just a bit of a slug on long ascending grades. 4th gear is your friend, just have to keep it wound up.

That being said, if you only have one, you may want to look for a 4.0. Drive a couple of each, then make a decision. But just do it.

Awesome, thank you for your input. Im of the opinion that hard rides are a result of the terrain you're on and not so much the vehicle, barring obvious exceptions. Having had my jeeps and motorcycles, Im just accustomed to bumps and potholes...

I'll probably heed your advice and look exclusively for a 4.0. Any input on what consititutes a "high mileage" YJ engine? My 03 was still going strong at 230k and probably burned a quart every 3k miles. Have you any input comparing wrenching on a YJ vs a TJ?

I know these are crap shoots far as what goes on, but when it comes time for engine rebuilds (however many that may be) is this usually a top end job or do flywheels and cranks need to be rebalanced as well?
 

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I think we gravitate to what we started out with, same with most anything. In your case, maybe the 4.0 TJ would be the way to go.

If you want a YJ, I would suggest the 93-95, but mostly the 94 and 95, and of course only 4.0.

The TJ OBD2 is going to be easier to take to a mechanic than the YJ OBD1.

I read this forum, TJ and YJ sections, for about 6 months as a guest before buying my YJ. For the most part I felt comfortable working on either but initial out of pocket cost was easier on the YJ. Of course I am slightly biased now, and ignorant having never even been in a TJ, lol.

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Awesome, thank you for your input. Im of the opinion that hard rides are a result of the terrain you're on and not so much the vehicle, barring obvious exceptions. Having had my jeeps and motorcycles, Im just accustomed to bumps and potholes...

I'll probably heed your advice and look exclusively for a 4.0. Any input on what consititutes a "high mileage" YJ engine? My 03 was still going strong at 230k and probably burned a quart every 3k miles. Have you any input comparing wrenching on a YJ vs a TJ?

I know these are crap shoots far as what goes on, but when it comes time for engine rebuilds (however many that may be) is this usually a top end job or do flywheels and cranks need to be rebalanced as well?
I always tell people “You can buy anything for a Jeep, except miles”. Once they are on the clock, there is no turning back. Both of my long term “keeper” YJ’s had less than 50k on them when I bought them, but low milers are getting harder to come by now. That being said, I have had several 4.0 YJ’s for short periods of time that were between 180-225k, and ran strong, with little or no leaks. There are some well maintained higher mileage examples out there, and I wouldn’t hesitate to buy one in the 150k range as long as it is obviously well maintained.

I have done a few cylinder heads on 150k+ 2.5’s and 4.0’s, with good results, but if you get a 200k one that needs freshened, plan on checking the bore for taper, and honing, ringing, and fresh bearings (assuming the crank mic’s good and will take a polish. 250-280k will generally need a block bore, crank grind, connecting rods resized, etc. in order to start the internal clock over.

Of course these are all subjective miles, as I have seen big mile 250k+ 4.0’s owned by maintenance freaks that were super clean upon disassembly, and conversely, 100k engines that have lost a rod bearing due to lack of maintenance. Filthy oil for long periods of time is a sure killer.

Wrenching on either one is relatively uneventful. Coil Springs, Air Bags, OBDII, just different if you are used to old leaf sprung stuff and nothing more.


I think we gravitate to what we started out with, same with most anything. In your case, maybe the 4.0 TJ would be the way to go.

If you want a YJ, I would suggest the 93-95, but mostly the 94 and 95, and of course only 4.0.

The TJ OBD2 is going to be easier to take to a mechanic than the YJ OBD1.

I read this forum, TJ and YJ sections, for about 6 months as a guest before buying my YJ. For the most part I felt comfortable working on either but initial out of pocket cost was easier on the YJ. Of course I am slightly biased now, and ignorant having never even been in a TJ, lol.

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They all have vertical slots in the grille Jon!
 

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I always tell people “You can buy anything for a Jeep, except miles”. Once they are on the clock, there is no turning back. Both of my long term “keeper” YJ’s had less than 50k on them when I bought them, but low milers are getting harder to come by now. That being said, I have had several 4.0 YJ’s for short periods of time that were between 180-225k, and ran strong, with little or no leaks. There are some well maintained higher mileage examples out there, and I wouldn’t hesitate to buy one in the 150k range as long as it is obviously well maintained.

I have done a few cylinder heads on 150k+ 2.5’s and 4.0’s, with good results, but if you get a 200k one that needs freshened, plan on checking the bore for taper, and honing, ringing, and fresh bearings (assuming the crank mic’s good and will take a polish. 250-280k will generally need a block bore, crank grind, connecting rods resized, etc. in order to start the internal clock over.

Of course these are all subjective miles, as I have seen big mile 250k+ 4.0’s owned by maintenance freaks that were super clean upon disassembly, and conversely, 100k engines that have lost a rod bearing due to lack of maintenance. Filthy oil for long periods of time is a sure killer.

Wrenching on either one is relatively uneventful. Coil Springs, Air Bags, OBDII, just different if you are used to old leaf sprung stuff and nothing more.




They all have vertical slots in the grille Jon!
Yeah, I understand theres so much subjectivity to these questions and the answers given. It reminds me of when I was stroking out the motor for my 77 shovel. I didn't want to go too long for fear of reliability and my friend says "Your right wrist is the biggest determining factor for any engines reliability." In essence, no one can know what previous owners did therefore no one can say whether any jeep is good or bad a result. Nonetheless, I thank you for your time and help.


So long and short of it is I seem to like the YJ's. I don't know why. I cant put my finger on it, but Im a nostalgic kinda guy. I love the dash. I love the square headlights. I love the sound of them, their tight handling, and their absolute simplicity. I ask all these questions to ensure Im not making a mistake if my heart tells me to buy a YJ

In the search of a new vehicle, a strong current contender is an 04 6 cylinder TJ with 87k on the clock, hardtop, and its absolutely beautiful/ mint. Most importantly, its black and manual. Hes asking $10,500

Now looking at YJs I've come across a few. All the good ones are 2-4 hours away and they've got about 120k miles on them. One is a black renegade used for snow plowing that's been undercoated and looks faily nice. Garage kept, 6 cylinder- just really like the look of it.


Another is one in NY that's got a lot of "new" stuff on it, like clutch, flywheel, exhaust, cpu, etc- apparently done by previous owner. Its really maintained well (on the surface...) with no rust and just looks absolutely beautiful. With 120k miles and asking ~$6k something is telling me its too good to be true. Does that seem reasonable asking price for an absolute mint 89
 

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In essence it sounds as if a much better YJ can be bought for the money I'd otherwise spend on the TJ- upfront at least. For 6k I throw up cash and drive away with (presumably) a really nice YJ that may need a little work over the years but I keep a little more in my savings. For 10k I drain the savings but most likely get something that wont need to be touched or require as much investment throughout the following years. Am I thinking this through clearly/correctly?
 

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An 89 will be carb, or a swap, or a tbi thingy added. I would not buy an ‘89.
I like the YJ because it is the oldest years without carb. I would have gone older but was just tired of offroading with a carb. I had a 400ci engine but I was limited by the size of my fuel bowl, lol.

Yes, they all have 7 slots, lol, but the YJ just has an idgaf attitude towards it that fits with me. Like the CJs, a YJ can be crumpled in, not matching, primered tub or holes here and there and still look badass. A TJ? I don’t know, they seem to want to look prettier. They TJs on up all seem to look the sameish

Both are going to take your wallet man, but a YJ will take your heart too. (That is a great line, I am going to use that to pick up some old chicks)
 

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An 89 will be carb, or a swap, or a tbi thingy added. I would not buy an ‘89.
I like the YJ because it is the oldest years without carb. I would have gone older but was just tired of offroading with a carb. I had a 400ci engine but I was limited by the size of my fuel bowl, lol.

Yes, they all have 7 slots, lol, but the YJ just has an idgaf attitude towards it that fits with me. Like the CJs, a YJ can be crumpled in, not matching, primered tub or holes here and there and still look badass. A TJ? I don’t know, they seem to want to look prettier. They TJs on up all seem to look the sameish

Both are going to take your wallet man, but a YJ will take your heart too. (That is a great line, I am going to use that to pick up some old chicks)

Is that the only gripe you've got with the 89 YJs? Just a carb for offroading? If it helps any, I've got no intentions of off roading with this vehicle.


Im totally with you about the "unique" look of the YJ's. I cant leave my bikes alone, for example. I need to make it "mine" and look unique. Maybe that's what Im seeing when I look at these YJ's because even the beautiful 04 in all black that I mentioned just seems to lack the character I see from these older ones....


But the 89 seems to be in really good shape, seller sent over the Carfax and vin. Only catch was a color change, from yellow to black last year. Im tempted to go take a look at it and possibly buy it. In a perfect world I'd have my settlement $$$ from my accident right now.

Id imagine that for the $10500 being asked for the 04- if I spent 6500 on the 89, I'd have to have $4k in repairs hidden somewhere just to get me back to even. If both were "equal" in quality, I'd still prefer the YJ


Im trying to get as many pros and cons as I can from everyone. Thank you for your insight.
 

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Wasn’t a gripe, lol.
But on a plus side, because most want the FI, the carb is a great selling point for you. I am sure no one banging down his door, maybe shoot low.

This is a long thread for not having pictures...just saying.
 

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Yeah, I understand theres so much subjectivity to these questions and the answers given. It reminds me of when I was stroking out the motor for my 77 shovel. I didn't want to go too long for fear of reliability and my friend says "Your right wrist is the biggest determining factor for any engines reliability." In essence, no one can know what previous owners did therefore no one can say whether any jeep is good or bad a result. Nonetheless, I thank you for your time and help.


So long and short of it is I seem to like the YJ's. I don't know why. I cant put my finger on it, but Im a nostalgic kinda guy. I love the dash. I love the square headlights. I love the sound of them, their tight handling, and their absolute simplicity. I ask all these questions to ensure Im not making a mistake if my heart tells me to buy a YJ

In the search of a new vehicle, a strong current contender is an 04 6 cylinder TJ with 87k on the clock, hardtop, and its absolutely beautiful/ mint. Most importantly, its black and manual. Hes asking $10,500

Now looking at YJs I've come across a few. All the good ones are 2-4 hours away and they've got about 120k miles on them. One is a black renegade used for snow plowing that's been undercoated and looks faily nice. Garage kept, 6 cylinder- just really like the look of it.


Another is one in NY that's got a lot of "new" stuff on it, like clutch, flywheel, exhaust, cpu, etc- apparently done by previous owner. Its really maintained well (on the surface...) with no rust and just looks absolutely beautiful. With 120k miles and asking ~$6k something is telling me its too good to be true. Does that seem reasonable asking price for an absolute mint 89
I'd have already bought it, If it is a 4.2l 6 not 2.5l 4. But that doesn't sound like either of what your looking for in the Motor Dept.
 

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Here is the leading contender. Ballpark 6500. No ac. Not a dealbreaker but ac kits can be had for about $1k yes? 4.2 engine
 

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And here is a renegade I was looking at 1993. Similar miles as the 89. Used as a plow, owner claims it was garaged it’s whole life. This one *does* have AC.

This ones asking for 8k but if he sells without the plow I might be able to get him closer in price to the 89.

What say you? Either or- neither?
 

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I'm still not sure why you haven't picked up the 89 yet. But then I'm kinda partial to that year for sentimental reasons
 
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The 89 would probably have been in my driveway by now.


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I notice he didn't post the craigslist site, smart man.....:punk::punk:
 
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