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Starting this off by saying Im 33 and have had my Rubicon since 2016. Noticed some things in those 3 years. JK owners always seem to wave when passing by, for the most part. Ive met some pretty cool JK owners on trips, rides, daily chores, etc. I dont think Ive ever seen a JL owner yet wave back on the road. Kinda feels to be some tension. I was the first and only person at my job to buy a Wrangler. Just recently two guys bought JL Sports. Both take jabs at the JK's (All in good fun) but when they got their JL's they wanted me to show them some offroad places I go to. Took them out few weeks back and it was insane! A trail that took me 2 hours to do, took us almost 5 because every 5 minutes we had to stop for them to get pics for instagram. They are pretty much the same age as me.

I have a friend outside of work, bought a JL sport. And him and his girlfriend go places in the Jeep for instagram pics and leave. Never actually doing trails, or staying to explore, etc. They are also pretty much same age group.

This a sign of the times, the Jeep life changing? Did TJ owners get bothered by JK owners? Or are we (they) just Californians being Californians

Just the thoughts of a man bored with too much time on his hands
 

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I always wave to a passing Jeeper. Some wave back and some do not. It is what it is. as far as the JL owners and social media, the younger generation is into that stuff and how many likes they can get. Whether they own a JK or a JL with the latest tech gadgets which some prefer. Not everyone takes their new Jeeps offroad for the fear of breaking something as some are daily drivers at least in my area.
 

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I always wave to a passing Jeeper. Some wave back and some do not. It is what it is. as far as the JL owners and social media, the younger generation is into that stuff and how many likes they can get. Whether they own a JK or a JL with the latest tech gadgets which some prefer. Not everyone takes their new Jeeps offroad for the fear of breaking something as some are daily drivers at least in my area.
Understood. Not trying to make it seem like I offroad every weekend and everyone one should too. I do light to moderate stuff when I can. I dont care if someone does zero off roading with their Jeep, its theirs. Just seems to me the JL crowd is a different breed from what I see out here. Mostly the 20 somethings, its more prop than Jeep.
 

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I have a friend outside of work, bought a JL sport. And him and his girlfriend go places in the Jeep for instagram pics and leave. Never actually doing trails, or staying to explore, etc. They are also pretty much same age group.

I’m not into the social, but from what I have seen from young people it’s not so much about having experiences as much as providing some kinda service for other people to paint a story with pictures for their approval and entertainment.
 

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Starting this off by saying Im 33 and have had my Rubicon since 2016. Noticed some things in those 3 years. JK owners always seem to wave when passing by, for the most part. Ive met some pretty cool JK owners on trips, rides, daily chores, etc. I dont think Ive ever seen a JL owner yet wave back on the road. Kinda feels to be some tension. I was the first and only person at my job to buy a Wrangler. Just recently two guys bought JL Sports. Both take jabs at the JK's (All in good fun) but when they got their JL's they wanted me to show them some offroad places I go to. Took them out few weeks back and it was insane! A trail that took me 2 hours to do, took us almost 5 because every 5 minutes we had to stop for them to get pics for instagram. They are pretty much the same age as me.

I have a friend outside of work, bought a JL sport. And him and his girlfriend go places in the Jeep for instagram pics and leave. Never actually doing trails, or staying to explore, etc. They are also pretty much same age group.

This a sign of the times, the Jeep life changing? Did TJ owners get bothered by JK owners? Or are we (they) just Californians being Californians

Just the thoughts of a man bored with too much time on his hands
Right now there’s a TJ owner with oil smudges up to his elbows, wrenching on his rig, bitching that JK owners spend too much damn time posting on forums. :D
 

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Traded my 2016 JKURHR in for a 2019 JLUR almost 2 weeks ago. Since the JL, I still wave and some wave back, but I've noticed less waves from JK owners.....I think they see me as a traitor.
 

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... and what's Instagram?
It's a thing you buy. Add hot water to a dried up carcass and in 15 minutes you have one of these:

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But seriously. Every new generation of JK owner is inferior to the one before it. I'm not as good as a TJ owner, they're not as good as a YJ owner, and we can piss on the JL owners who can piss on the Gladiator crew. It's how it is; Jeep Law.

I'm 1 for 4 in return waves from Gladiators so far. Not many around here.
And, so far, almost every JL has returned the wave. I think the dealers may have coached them.
 

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It's a thing you buy. Add hot water to a dried up carcass and in 15 minutes you have one of these:

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But seriously. Every new generation of JK owner is inferior to the one before it. I'm not as good as a TJ owner, they're not as good as a YJ owner, and we can piss on the JL owners who can piss on the Gladiator crew. It's how it is; Jeep Law.

I'm 1 for 4 in return waves from Gladiators so far. Not many around here.
And, so far, almost every JL has returned the wave. I think the dealers may have coached them.
I saw a white Gladiator on my way home last night on the highway. It was on 40's, with some very nice black wheels. Man it looked mean. The basic JT on the dealer's lots don't do anything for me. That white one on 40's, me likey.
 

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I saw a white Gladiator on my way home last night on the highway. It was on 40's, with some very nice black wheels. Man it looked mean. The basic JT on the dealer's lots don't do anything for me. That white one on 40's, me likey.
I fit in them but don't fit in the JL --- quirk of the seats and steering wheel.
I checked out one with some dealer mods, tow package, alternator package, leather, 2" lift, 35s. I admit, it made my pants tight... ...but not $60K tight.

They need to come back to reality before I even think of one. A 3/4 ton on 33s will fit my growing needs and cost less.
 

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It's a thing you buy. Add hot water to a dried up carcass and in 15 minutes you have one of these:

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But seriously. Every new generation of JK owner is inferior to the one before it. I'm not as good as a TJ owner, they're not as good as a YJ owner, and we can piss on the JL owners who can piss on the Gladiator crew. It's how it is; Jeep Law.

I'm 1 for 4 in return waves from Gladiators so far. Not many around here.
And, so far, almost every JL has returned the wave. I think the dealers may have coached them.
Truth. These same comments come up every time a new generation is released. Nothing new and soon enough, the JL guys will be shaking their heads at whatever comes next. However true disdain has not been matched since the first CJ guy saw square headlights.
 

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Truth. These same comments come up every time a new generation is released. Nothing new and soon enough, the JL guys will be shaking their heads at whatever comes next. However true disdain has not been matched since the first CJ guy saw square headlights.
Quoted for truth!
 

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yeah i was contemplating if i was going to buy the new JL or a top end JK (Rubicon Recon) for the 2018 year

When i went in the JL - the interior felt like i was driving a car/normal SUV - it didn't have the "jeep" feel to it you know what i mean? Also, i'm not a fan of the front end grill with the slight angle. Too many curves on the new JL and i didn't find it "boxy" enough - that's why the JK years were so popular i think

I've been driving my wife's 2014 Sahara 2-door (bought this brand new like an idiot) and fell in love with it so i decided to get my own Jeep after my Audi A3 is scheduled to die (220,000 kms)
 

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Oh yeah, forgot about Gladiator owners. Have not seen much out here yet. Ones I have seen are not for me. I still wave at em, they are my half brother 😁
 

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I've had my JK for 5 years now and sometimes I wave, sometimes I don't. It honestly depends on several factors:
1) am I too busy actually driving and paying attention to traffic to take the time for the wave?
2) did I even see the other Jeep and notice that it's a Jeep as opposed to something else coming down the road (it just doesn't click sometimes)?
3) is it dark out and the other person isn't gonna see me anyway?
4) am I even in the mood to care that there's another Jeep there?
among others.

Truthfully sometimes I'm kinda over the whole "Jeep experience" and in those times I don't really care that there's another Jeep there.

As for offroading? like someone else said, not everyone wants to beat the living crap out of a $30,000 daily driver, I wouldn't even want to drive mine on a dirt road, let alone drag it down some barely passable trail. I can't afford to repair it or have no way to get to work on Monday. (same reason I didn't drag race my Camaro back in the day)

Same thing with muscle cars (which I've been into since before I learned to drive, some 40 plus years), I've had a 68 Camaro since 1983 and rarely even notice other muscle cars anymore. Mine's been apart for 7 years (never should have been that long) and I've reached a point where I don't even care anymore.Just tired of tripping over it.

So in the end, some people wave, some don't and some wave most of the time but not all.
 

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I think it started with the JK. I'm not bashing the JK, I own one. Jeep used to be a fringe vehicle. Those of us who owned one back in the day were kind of rare. We used them for hunting, exploring, ranching, etc. They were no frills purpose built vehicles. We didn't pass dozens of Jeeps on the way to the convenience store. It was cool back then to see another Jeep. I bet half the Jeep owners didn't (and still don't) know the history behind the wave. I think for most it was just a "hey there's another Jeeper" wave.

Go to a Jeep meet. Most of the people you meet are older, like myself. I would bet most of those people are just like me. We started in CJ's, or maybe even MB's. We got older and have more expendable income. Why stick to the old rattling, leaking CJ when we can drive something nice that has extreme capability. We are wavers.

Each generation of Jeep since the CJ has become a little more refined. The JK was a huge leap forward in creature comforts and streetability, especially the JKU. A new generation of Jeep buyer emerged. A lot of these buyers don't care about driving up a mountain or getting deep into the woods to a good hunting spot. They just want a rugged looking vehicle. And for once they could get a four door with some cargo space. A lot of the new crowd aren't Jeepers. They don't wave.

My wife and I wave. It doesn't bother me if a JK or JL driver doesn't. At least they're in a Jeep and not a Prius. I know it sounds contradictory to my signature but it also doesn't bother me that people buy loaded Rubicons and never take them offroad. It's a good thing for us. The aftermarket is huge now, we can get anything for our Jeep. It also means we can pick up a nice used Jeep that hasn't been abused.

At least they're in a Jeep!
 

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Comm/sand said it well, I wave because it's a tradition, and I did my part. Even my oldest Daughter says she waves too because of the same reason, but here in Low-Cal most are soccer moms or little girls that got it because it's a "Cool Car" , yeah I know I just killed a kitten because I said "CAR" And with the new JL compared to the JK is 20 century tech compared to 21 century tech, I will stick with the older as I can bubble gum and bailing wire myself to get home easier.....
 
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