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If this has been answered, please direct me to where.

Just ordered a XRC 8 Comp (synthetic) winch and am looking for a front bumper that the winch fits inside. I noticed on the SRC and XRC (JK versions) it fits inside a bit but on TJ versions they sit on top. Is there a reason?

Something like this http://www.carid.com/images/rugged-ridge/bumpers-valances/11540-01-2.jpg
but this bumper is $800ish and above what I'd like to spend.

There is a quadratec/ARB for about $500 but the winch opening is rectangular for rollers, mine has a hawse fairlead...

Any suggestions... $350 is my "happy price" but might go to $500ish

Also as per front end drop from extra weight, I can stand (150lbs) on the front bumper with no "noticeable" drop but if there is say a 1/2 inch drop, can I adjust it back up using my JKS disconnects?

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Stockish 97 on 31s, no lift "that I can tell", Bilstein 5100s, JKS adjustable disconnects
 

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Also as per front end drop from extra weight, I can stand (150lbs) on the front bumper with no "noticeable" drop but if there is say a 1/2 inch drop, can I adjust it back up using my JKS disconnects?
disconnects have nothing to do with lift height. you could add spacers or appropriate springs
 

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disconnects have nothing to do with lift height. you could add spacers or appropriate springs
That's what I thought, then I read this...

The unique design of JKS Quicker Disconnects enables the user to quickly and easily fine tune the length to compensate for vehicle changes, such as: spring settling or sagging, minor lift changes, heavy accessories, vehicle trim or rake adjustments, and other factors that affect ride height.


 

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adjust the length of the sway-bar link, to match the distance between the sway bar and axle that could vary due to changes in suspension
 

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So does that mean that I still would need to use spacers/etc... and they can be adjusted to match, but not used by themselves to adjust back up?
 

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spacers are sold in different thicknesses and go above your coils to level out your suspension. when i added a winch it dropped my front nearly an inch, so i went from 2" springs to 3" springs. its a heavy winch, but i would expect the front to drop close to an inch
 

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spacers are sold in different thicknesses and go above your coils to level out your suspension. when i added a winch it dropped my front nearly an inch, so i went from 2" springs to 3" springs. its a heavy winch, but i would expect the front to drop close to an inch
Thanks... when I went out and stood on my bumper there was no noticeable drop, I don't know if I have heavier duty springs than stock but the front end is very stiff, even more so since I put the Bilsteins on. That being said, I have no doubt adding a 65lb winch and a 65+lb bumper will require some correction. After we decide on what bumper to go with I'll follow up with how much the drop ends up before looking into my options to correct it.

Any suggestions on my bumper question?
 

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The only bumper I ever remember seeing that hold and protects your winch completely inside is the original ARB Bull Bar winch bumper.

But, It's a huge heavy pig, and very expensive.
 

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I STRONGLY reccomend you check out JCR's products.
I just did a write up on one that I ordered about a week ago. My winch is pretty protected because I got the stinger, and it has some gussets on the edge to strengthen it. I would definitely buy from them again.

Here is a link to my write up with pics: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/ordered-jcr-stinger-front-bumper-246063.html
 

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The only bumper I ever remember seeing that hold and protects your winch completely inside is the original ARB Bull Bar winch bumper.

But, It's a huge heavy pig, and very expensive.
Yeah... I like the ARB, but 1000 bucks for a bumper would not fly with the boss. Our TJ is still in the "needy teenager" phase, still need the rear 5100s, new BFGs, body mounts, +++.

I was looking at the XHD bumper too but would rather have a one piece bumper, + its pretty expensive too once you add on all the pieces...
 

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I STRONGLY reccomend you check out JCR's products.
I just did a write up on one that I ordered about a week ago. My winch is pretty protected because I got the stinger, and it has some gussets on the edge to strengthen it. I would definitely buy from them again.

Here is a link to my write up with pics: http://www.wranglerforum.com/f5/ordered-jcr-stinger-front-bumper-246063.html
Thanks... Not exactly what we were looking for but Made in the USA and nice prices puts them on the table. It would be a plus not have a standard "walmart" bumper ;)

I'll have the boss take a look.
 

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Well, after doing a bit of reading, it seems there is something on the TJ preventing a sunken winch. I still don't understand how ARB and Rugged Ridge make the only two bumpers that have a sunken winch. How is it THEY can make one?

The ARB Bull Bar Bumper has it sunk, but has the cut out for the roller fairlead, not the synthetic fairlead (which I have and prefer) leaving ONLY the XHD.

I emailed JCR Offroad, I guess I'll wait and see what they have to say about it.

Thanks for the help.
 

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I dont believe it is "sunken" on the ARB bumpers as much as the bumpers are extremely large and cover more of the top of the winch. all that does is make the bumper even heavier

there is no way that my winch would fit between the frame rails with the steering box there. thats why you wont find any truly sunken winch mounts on a tj
 

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the tubular cross member?
Yes. It seems the ARB and the XHD are the only two that make a taller bumper to sink the winch on a TJ. The winch still sits on the cross member like the other bumpers but the ARB and XHD sit up higher allowing a half sunk winch.

JCR Offroad explained that the higher/taller bumper is how they achieve a sunken winch, but didn't explain if there was a disadvantage, or why only two bumpers for the TJ are made that way...

I contacted ARB and a few fabricators but without custom fabbing something it looks like the XHD is the only one with a sunken winch made for a hawse fairlead.
 

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the arb bumper is isimply taller than normal bumpers, you cant make a winch hidden at normal height because you cant fit a winch in between the fraim rails of a tj
 

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I dont believe it is "sunken" on the ARB bumpers as much as the bumpers are extremely large and cover more of the top of the winch. all that does is make the bumper even heavier

there is no way that my winch would fit between the frame rails with the steering box there. thats why you wont find any truly sunken winch mounts on a tj
Agreed... as per weight, I saved about 20 lbs going with the synthetic winch so to add it back with a heavier bumper is ok.

Besides, I'm really looking to get my mpg down to about 7. 8mpg just gives me way too much freedom ;)
 

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I was researching this a few weeks back & Jerry B is the one that mentioned the ARB bumper fits the bill.But they are damn spendy
 

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JCR Offroad explained that the higher/taller bumper is how they achieve a sunken winch, but didn't explain if there was a disadvantage, or why only two bumpers for the TJ are made that way...
The only real disadvantages would be blocking more air flow into the radiator and excessive additional weight. Other than those two factors, it all becomes preference on looks/design.

We don't offer anything like this because of the weight issues. These days, everyone is concerned about too much weight hanging on their Jeeps. Our front SWB bumpers weigh in around 45lbs. An ARB Front, is more than double that.
 
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