I know. I'm a lawyer. It's just funny how disclaimers can say things that are so palpably and obviously untrue. There are at least hundreds of thousands of lifted vehicles safely driving to work every day. I’m getting my new Rubi lifted next week. It will be about five inches higher (with 35s and a 4” lift) but also about five inches wider in stance (4.5” backspacing, 12.5" tires). I guess I’ll have to tow it to work because it obviously will tip over if I ever try a left turn faster than 3 mph.
Mopar Lift Kit info
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Just for appearance's sake, here is a 2 door with 3in Rubicon Express lift with the stock 31in (245/75 17's) still on it. (and yes, larger tyres are coming soon 
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And for interest sake, I still have stock bumpstops with no components binding so the stock tyres will still stuff right up inside that large gap! Once bigger tyres are on an inch or two bumps stop extensions will be added.
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And for interest sake, I still have stock bumpstops with no components binding so the stock tyres will still stuff right up inside that large gap! Once bigger tyres are on an inch or two bumps stop extensions will be added.
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Molars warranty is this-
If a Mopar part is purchased from a dealer-it comes with a 12month 12k mile warranty (must be returned/taken to the original dealer-this is for accounting purposes) if you have the same part from above installed at a franchise CJDR dealer you get a 12 month unlimited mile part and labor warranty-
If you buy the lift kit from Pat-and installed there-your covered for a year and as many miles as you can put on.
For once-my Chrysler training has some use.
If a Mopar part is purchased from a dealer-it comes with a 12month 12k mile warranty (must be returned/taken to the original dealer-this is for accounting purposes) if you have the same part from above installed at a franchise CJDR dealer you get a 12 month unlimited mile part and labor warranty-
If you buy the lift kit from Pat-and installed there-your covered for a year and as many miles as you can put on.
For once-my Chrysler training has some use.
It's a little ambiguous, but it sounds like your training is carefully crafted double speak.rockjock1 said:Molars warranty is this-
If a Mopar part is purchased from a dealer-it comes with a 12month 12k mile warranty (must be returned/taken to the original dealer-this is for accounting purposes) if you have the same part from above installed at a franchise CJDR dealer you get a 12 month unlimited mile part and labor warranty-
If you buy the lift kit from Pat-and installed there-your covered for a year and as many miles as you can put on.
For once-my Chrysler training has some use.
Performance parts--like lifts--come with no useful warranty. At most, the parts themselves are warrantied against defects and your dealer warranties the labor. The same would be true regarding any manufacturer and parts installer, such as a reputable 4x4 shop. Nobody--and I mean nobody--warranties the impact of the lift on the jeep.
Thus, 4" mopar dealer installed lift cooks your driveshaft? Too bad. 37" dealer installed tires warp your ball joints? Tough. I've heard of folks getting those items repaired "under warranty" (like Green Machine and his 3 driveshafts), but it's done with a wink and a nod from a cool guy in the service department, and has nothing to do with the damage actually being "under warranty."
There is no upside whatsoever to getting a Mopar lift installed by a dealer.
^^^^^ man knows the law, by the way.
I guess I don't see it as that. If it was found that a Mopar part (performance or otherwise) caused a vehicle component to fail-at least at my dealer-we would cover the failed part, as well as the rest (wear items excluded of course....)MTH said:It's a little ambiguous, but it sounds like your training is either inconsistent or only marginally consistent with what Mopar's warranty documents actually say. It sounds like it's careful double speak, honestly.
Performance parts--like lifts--come with no useful warranty. At most, the parts themselves are warrantied against defects and your dealer warranties the labor. The same would be true regarding any manufacturer and parts installer. Nobody--and I mean nobody--warranties the impact of the lift on the jeep.
Thus, 4" mopar dealer installed lift cooks your driveshaft? Too bad. 37" dealer installed tires warp your ball joints? Tough.
There is no upside whatsoever to getting a Mopar lift installed by a dealer.
The training isn't inconsistent-the responses you get from employees unwilling to put their neck out is. As for tires-You can tell me to put anything n you want-if your vin didn't call for that tire size in star parts-you would be sol. Same with air filters, you can ask for whatever-but Mopar recommends X part for your vehicle, that's what would be looked at in the event of a warranty claim. We wouldn't warranty tires cupping from people that don't rotate-or wipers that someone leaves on for 4 days dry-but if you get ball joint that fails-or causes a wheel bearing to fail-you'd better get those covered (out of basic 3/36 or not)-if it was a Mopar part.....
I often get this from charger/challenger guys that use the Mopar cold air intake on their cars-doesn't do anything to the cars manufacturer warranty-
Law has nothing to do with-Mopar doesn't write law.....kbwwolf said:^^^^^ man knows the law, by the way.
I don't want to pick fights here-but the more I read some of these threads-there seem to be a lot of members who want to throw around "facts" with o real supporting document or proof, and some of them recommend making modifications to vehicles that are frankly-wrecklous and dangerous-
I know more about warranties and warranty claims than most-I was a dealer compliance officer for 7 years between Ford and Chrysler-covering loans, credit, Red Flag, IRS and dealer franchise compliance.....
There is no "seeing it."rockjock1 said:I guess I don't see it as that. If it was found that a Mopar part (performance or otherwise) caused a vehicle component to fail-at least at my dealer-we would cover the failed part, as well as the rest (wear items excluded of course....)
The training isn't inconsistent-the responses you get from employees unwilling to put their neck out is. As for tires-You can tell me to put anything n you want-if your vin didn't call for that tire size in star parts-you would be sol. Same with air filters, you can ask for whatever-but Mopar recommends X part for your vehicle, that's what would be looked at in the event of a warranty claim. We wouldn't warranty tires cupping from people that don't rotate-or wipers that someone leaves on for 4 days dry-but if you get ball joint that fails-or causes a wheel bearing to fail-you'd better get those covered (out of basic 3/36 or not)-if it was a Mopar part.....
I often get this from charger/challenger guys that use the Mopar cold air intake on their cars-doesn't do anything to the cars manufacturer warranty-
Read the warranty booklet that comes with your vehicle and the warranty disclaimers included in the performance parts catalog and your vehicle's warranty booklet. If a Mopar lift damages your driveshaft, Chrysler has no legal obligation whatsoever to cover it.
Now, if your dealership will cover it or they "know a guy" at Chrysler that can get through the paperwork, that's fine. But that's different than actually being covered.
Same is true with the air intake. If I install a Mopar intake and hydrolock after I suck in a ton of water when I hit a big puddle, I'm filing an insurance claim, not a warranty one, because Chrysler would have no obligation to replace my engine in those circumstances.
The law has everything to do with it.rockjock1 said:Law has nothing to do with-Mopar doesn't write law.....
I don't want to pick fights here-but the more I read some of these threads-there seem to be a lot of members who want to throw around "facts" with o real supporting document or proof, and some of them recommend making modifications to vehicles that are frankly-wrecklous and dangerous-
I know more about warranties and warranty claims than most-I was a dealer compliance officer for 7 years between Ford and Chrysler-covering loans, credit, Red Flag, IRS and dealer franchise compliance.....
Having reviewed all relevant Chrysler published warranty documents applicable to my Jeep, I can find no basis to conclude a Mopar lift installed by a dealer carries any legal benefit over another aftermarket brand installed by a local shop.
If you can point me to something that says otherwise, I'd be happy to review it.
Of course it does. If someone doesn't get an answer they like-let's get a lawyer....makes this country great.MTH said:The law has everything to do with it.
So -Chrysler's warranty doesn't really mean anything-and if you take your car to a dealer-they'll do everything they can to not cover it.
I just don't get it.....has anyone commenting on this modified their jeep with a Mopar part then submitted a warranty claim-or are we playing in fantasy land?
"Law has nothing to do with-Mopar doesn't write law.....
I don't want to pick fights here-but the more I read some of these threads-there seem to be a lot of members who want to throw around "facts" with o real supporting document or proof, and some of them recommend making modifications to vehicles that are frankly-wrecklous and dangerous-"
I'm assuming you mean "reckless".
I don't want to pick fights here-but the more I read some of these threads-there seem to be a lot of members who want to throw around "facts" with o real supporting document or proof, and some of them recommend making modifications to vehicles that are frankly-wrecklous and dangerous-"
I'm assuming you mean "reckless".
BTW MTH-I see you've edited your orig response to my post a couple times now....double speak....wow. I hear sirens.
Thanks-yep-iPad corrects and edits things when I type too fast.
:facepalm:
My issue is that dealers suggesting that Mopar lifts installed by them are the only way to "keep your warranty" are a major pet peeve of mine. It's false, and is nothing but a ploy to convince consumers to buy wildly overpriced lifts and installs.
And it sounds like you're drinking some of the Kool-Aid.
Go back and read what your training taught you to say. I had to read it a few times myself. It really says: Parts and install. That's it. If a shock leaks because it's defective, we'll replace it at no charge. If our tech didn't tighten all the bolts, we'll do it at no charge.
You know who else provides that warranty? Everybody. If I go to 4WheelParts for a Pro Comp lift and my shock leaks, they'll replace it. And if the bolts aren't tightened, they'll tighten them.
You know what your training jingle doesn't say? That my driveshaft is covered. Or that any other damage caused by the lift is covered. You know why it doesn't say that? Because its not covered.
You know who else won't cover damage caused by an installed lift? Everybody. If I go to 4WheelParts for a Pro Comp lift and my driveshaft boot tears, they might do me a favor and let me snag an extra out of their parts bin, but their not obligated to.
You know how I know all this? Because I actually read the documents. You should try it. Unless overridden by state statute, they're the only thing that binds Chrysler on this topic.
Again, I have found nothing even suggesting that Chrysler will warranty damages caused by ANY mod, including a dealer-installed Mopar lift. To the contrary, such damage is expressly excluded from coverage in both the warranty manual that came with your vehicle as well as the Mopar performance parts catalog. Chrysler warrants your vehicle as it left the factory, any changes you make (whether dealer-installed or not, whether Mopar or not) will not be covered and neither will any damage caused by those changes.
That's not "fantasy land."
And by all means, if you're aware of something that indicates otherwise, I'd be happy to look at it. I'd actually like to be wrong on this--then there'd actually be a reason to buy a Mopar lift.
Edited for clarity. I do it all the time, particularly where--as here--the replies I get leave me wondering if the person read what I thought I said.rockjock1 said:BTW MTH-I see you've edited your orig response to my post a couple times now....double speak....wow. I hear sirens.
Look, I'm not trying to pick a fight either. This forum doesn't tolerate pissing contests, and that's one of the great things about it.rockjock1 said:So -Chrysler's warranty doesn't really mean anything-and if you take your car to a dealer-they'll do everything they can to not cover it.
I just don't get it.....has anyone commenting on this modified their jeep with a Mopar part then submitted a warranty claim-or are we playing in fantasy land?
My issue is that dealers suggesting that Mopar lifts installed by them are the only way to "keep your warranty" are a major pet peeve of mine. It's false, and is nothing but a ploy to convince consumers to buy wildly overpriced lifts and installs.
And it sounds like you're drinking some of the Kool-Aid.
Go back and read what your training taught you to say. I had to read it a few times myself. It really says: Parts and install. That's it. If a shock leaks because it's defective, we'll replace it at no charge. If our tech didn't tighten all the bolts, we'll do it at no charge.
You know who else provides that warranty? Everybody. If I go to 4WheelParts for a Pro Comp lift and my shock leaks, they'll replace it. And if the bolts aren't tightened, they'll tighten them.
You know what your training jingle doesn't say? That my driveshaft is covered. Or that any other damage caused by the lift is covered. You know why it doesn't say that? Because its not covered.
You know who else won't cover damage caused by an installed lift? Everybody. If I go to 4WheelParts for a Pro Comp lift and my driveshaft boot tears, they might do me a favor and let me snag an extra out of their parts bin, but their not obligated to.
You know how I know all this? Because I actually read the documents. You should try it. Unless overridden by state statute, they're the only thing that binds Chrysler on this topic.
Again, I have found nothing even suggesting that Chrysler will warranty damages caused by ANY mod, including a dealer-installed Mopar lift. To the contrary, such damage is expressly excluded from coverage in both the warranty manual that came with your vehicle as well as the Mopar performance parts catalog. Chrysler warrants your vehicle as it left the factory, any changes you make (whether dealer-installed or not, whether Mopar or not) will not be covered and neither will any damage caused by those changes.
That's not "fantasy land."
And by all means, if you're aware of something that indicates otherwise, I'd be happy to look at it. I'd actually like to be wrong on this--then there'd actually be a reason to buy a Mopar lift.
:facepalm:
Edited for clarity. I do it all the time, particularly where--as here--the replies I get leave me wondering if the person read what I thought I said.
Glad he hasn't noticed one of my posts, lol. I edit most of mine three or four times lol
I wasn't clear in my initial response-I'm not looking to suggest that you need to install a Mopar component to keep your warranty coverage-simply that the Mopar lift kit-if installed at the dealer-will be covered by the dealer (as all things are)-and if a)you're under the 3/36 or 5/100 a part fails related to the install of the kit-it should be covered (there are outside situations-other mods ect that may not entitle you to coverage)-and b) if you are out of the 3/36 or 5/100 factory warranty-the Mopar lift kit comes with its own coverage. Having said that-if you are out of fac warr-and have a dealer instal a Mopar lift kit-if the kit fails, and causes other parts to fail-those things are covered for the period specified by Mopars warranty.
I always got this from the JDM crowd-"the dealer said they voided my warranty with my mods!"-
Well-as a dealer-we can not void a warranty. We can-if it's needed-enter the problem, and what we found into our VIP system (so-if you go to another dealer and change the story...the truth follows you)-if you install an after market brand lift kit-and your control arm falls off and your under the 3/36 or 5/100-odds of you being covered are pretty slim (unless you have a forgiving dealer-and there are ways as a dealer we can be kept honest with warranty claims-returning parts is just the start of it).
I'm off to bed-hope there are no hard feelings-I'm new here-and prob should keep my responses shorter-and clearer. As for the Koop aide-being master certified by Chrysler for parts means as much as being master certified in sales, Internet sales, commercial truck sales and F+I....it's winter at the dealers, everyone is slow online tests are a good reprieve.
I always got this from the JDM crowd-"the dealer said they voided my warranty with my mods!"-
Well-as a dealer-we can not void a warranty. We can-if it's needed-enter the problem, and what we found into our VIP system (so-if you go to another dealer and change the story...the truth follows you)-if you install an after market brand lift kit-and your control arm falls off and your under the 3/36 or 5/100-odds of you being covered are pretty slim (unless you have a forgiving dealer-and there are ways as a dealer we can be kept honest with warranty claims-returning parts is just the start of it).
I'm off to bed-hope there are no hard feelings-I'm new here-and prob should keep my responses shorter-and clearer. As for the Koop aide-being master certified by Chrysler for parts means as much as being master certified in sales, Internet sales, commercial truck sales and F+I....it's winter at the dealers, everyone is slow
online tests are a good reprieve.
This just baffles me. While it is of course true that the kit itself will be covered by whomever installs it, none of the rest of this is supported in any Chrysler documentation I have seen.rockjock1 said:the Mopar lift kit-if installed at the dealer-will be covered by the dealer (as all things are)-and if a)you're under the 3/36 or 5/100 a part fails related to the install of the kit-it should be covered (there are outside situations-other mods ect that may not entitle you to coverage)-and b) if you are out of the 3/36 or 5/100 factory warranty-the Mopar lift kit comes with its own coverage. Having said that-if you are out of fac warr-and have a dealer instal a Mopar lift kit-if the kit fails, and causes other parts to fail-those things are covered for the period specified by Mopars warranty.
Under the language of the warranty materials that come with every jeep as well as the performance parts catalog, a part failure (such as a driveshaft or control arm) caused by a dealer-installed Mopar lift is treated no differently than a part failure caused by a TeraFlex lift installed by a local 4x4 shop. Either way, the owner is without any legal recourse and is, essentially, looking for a favor.
As I mentioned before, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong here. If you could share some Chrysler documents to support your understanding, it would be much appreciated. This is the first I've ever heard of this, and it bears no resemblance to what my warranty documents actually say.
That's correct. Absent odometer tampering, warranties are almost never "voided." And in any event, a warranty becomes "void" by operation of law, not by dealer decision.rockjock1 said:Well-as a dealer-we can not void a warranty.
The issues we're discussing are of "non-coverage," not voidness. Damages caused by a mod are "not covered." The warranty itself remains and is not "void."
There are indeed none. New here makes no difference--I hope you stick around.rockjock1 said:I'm off to bed-hope there are no hard feelings-I'm new here-and prob should keep my responses shorter-and clearer.
Sorry for the generic outline.
Dealer where Jeep was purchased installed MOPAR part during 3/36 warranty. Part not original from factory. Fails horribly and horrendously after 15 months. Destroys engine. Now out of 3/36 warranty. OK. We'll cover it with the aftermarket extended warranty sold by same dealer. Aftermarket warranty won't cover because part not original from factory. MOPAR part destroyed engine by their account. Chrysler admits known failure rate of 1 in 150,000 vehicles. Still no one would fix.
I believe this gives credence to what MTH is stating.
Dealer where Jeep was purchased installed MOPAR part during 3/36 warranty. Part not original from factory. Fails horribly and horrendously after 15 months. Destroys engine. Now out of 3/36 warranty. OK. We'll cover it with the aftermarket extended warranty sold by same dealer. Aftermarket warranty won't cover because part not original from factory. MOPAR part destroyed engine by their account. Chrysler admits known failure rate of 1 in 150,000 vehicles. Still no one would fix.
I believe this gives credence to what MTH is stating.
the upside was lift ,35 inch tires,1.5 spacers,aftermarket drive shafts front and rear, and and tunner, installed at 0% interist when i bought the jeep.It's a little ambiguous, but it sounds like your training is carefully crafted double speak.
Performance parts--like lifts--come with no useful warranty. At most, the parts themselves are warrantied against defects and your dealer warranties the labor. The same would be true regarding any manufacturer and parts installer, such as a reputable 4x4 shop. Nobody--and I mean nobody--warranties the impact of the lift on the jeep.
Thus, 4" mopar dealer installed lift cooks your driveshaft? Too bad. 37" dealer installed tires warp your ball joints? Tough. I've heard of folks getting those items repaired "under warranty" (like Green Machine and his 3 driveshafts), but it's done with a wink and a nod from a cool guy in the service department, and has nothing to do with the damage actually being "under warranty."
There is no upside whatsoever to getting a Mopar lift installed by a dealer.
Just to pipe in on the warranty issue: I had the 2" Mopar lift when I purchased the 2010 JKU off the dealer's lot. I asked about the warranty and he showed me a policy letter from Chrysler HQ stating that while they don't warranty the parts (the lift manufacturer does), the installation of Mopar performance parts, including the lifts, would not automatically red flag the vehicle. I no longer have the lift, and can't find the letter, but perhaps Pat or one of the dealers participating on this board could produce it.
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