That's correct. In fact, they really can't truly "red flag" the vehicle--ie, they automatically won't warranty anything. The terms of the warranty itself (and statutory law) don't allow for that. They can "red flag" the vehicle as a matter of record keeping just to note there's a mod that MAY affect coverage for certain repairs.Vince1 said:
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Based on everything I have read, I'm of the same opinion as MTH. Mopar lift kits are considered performance parts. If the lift kit/mod causes something else to break/fail, then that particular part is not covered.
And like MTH said above it is record keeping. That way if you were denied warranty coverage based on a mod that you did and go to another dealer they know why that warranty claim was denied.
And like MTH said above it is record keeping. That way if you were denied warranty coverage based on a mod that you did and go to another dealer they know why that warranty claim was denied.
Unfortunately, this thread has turned fallen away from what I would be really interested in knowing which is precisely what Renaissance_Redneck asked. Does anyone have real world experience and can provide insight to those of us learning about lift kits as to how the Mopar kits stands up to/compares to a TF kit for example(since that seems to be one of the more popular kits on these forums)?Interesting. Thanks. I'm researching lifts right now; I'm very uneducated regarding the JK suspensions, or any suspensions for that matter.
I'm wondering how these Mopar kits would compare to similar TeraFlex or Rock Krawler kits. I see that TeraFlex assisted in developing some of the Mopar kits.
FWIW, I assume anything I do to my Jeep, regardless of the dealer adding the mod or me adding the mod, is treated the same. Anything changed after delivery could get me a hard time by Chrysler against a warranty claim,depending on what went wrong and how that may have been affected by my mod.
Here's the whole back of the mopar parts catalog stating all of the warranties.
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Thanks, Pat.Here's the whole back of the mopar parts catalog stating all of the warranties.
And sure enough, if you scroll down to page 5, you'll find the performance parts warranty section, which provides this little gem:
That's even less of a warranty than most aftermarket companies provide. What Mopar is saying here is that even if the Mopar shock that comes with your lift starts leaking once you drive it off the lot, you're on your own. They're not even going to be responsible to cover defective parts. Nor are they going to be responsible for the labor to fix defective parts. And they're certainly not going to be responsible to cover damage the performance parts cause to stock parts.Mopar Performance parts are sold “as is” unless otherwise noted. This means that parts sold by Mopar Performance carry no warranty whatsoever. Implied warranties, such as warranties of merchantability, are excluded. (An implied warranty of merchantability means that the part is reasonably fi t for the general purpose for which it was sold). The entire risk as to quality and performance of such parts is with the buyer. Should such parts prove defective following their purchase, the buyer and not the manufacturer, distributor or retailer, assumes the entire cost of all necessary servicing or repair. . . . . The addition of performance parts does not by itself void a vehicle’s warranty. However, added performance parts (parts not originally supplied on the vehicle from the factory) are not covered by the vehicle’s warranty, and any failure that they may cause is also not covered by the vehicle’s warranty.
In any event, I simply can't see how that reconciles with this:
That's not to say rockjock1's dealership has never provided "coverage" like he's describing "just because"--I'm sure it has. But that's different than being legally obligated to provide coverage.the Mopar lift kit-if installed at the dealer-will be covered by the dealer (as all things are)-and if a)you're under the 3/36 or 5/100 a part fails related to the install of the kit-it should be covered (there are outside situations-other mods ect that may not entitle you to coverage)-and b) if you are out of the 3/36 or 5/100 factory warranty-the Mopar lift kit comes with its own coverage. Having said that-if you are out of fac warr-and have a dealer instal a Mopar lift kit-if the kit fails, and causes other parts to fail-those things are covered for the period specified by Mopars warranty.
This is why I go bananas when I hear that somebody's dealer told them that only the dealership can lift their jeep without "voiding their warranty."
True, but I love to see a trial where a Chrysler rep was refusing to pay damages when their factory manufactured part purchased from and installed by one of their authorized dealers onto one of their vehicles failed. In fact, I'd love to argue for the plaintiff on that one.But that's different than being legally obligated to provide coverage.
No, what I was referring to was a memo put out by Chrysler directly addressing the lift warranty question. Perhaps you can ask around as I know it exists as I saw it with my own eyes.Here's the whole back of the mopar parts catalog stating all of the warranties.
Unless you can show that the exclusions are unlawful (i.e., in violation of Federal warranty laws), the plaintiff loses at summary judgment. It never even gets to a jury.True, but I love to see a trial where a Chrysler rep was refusing to pay damages when their factory manufactured part purchased from and installed by one of their authorized dealers onto one of their vehicles failed. In fact, I'd love to argue for the plaintiff on that one.
Just off the top of my head, I'd say the best bet would be to not bother suing Chrysler at all. Sue the dealership instead, and argue (if true) that they lied and told you it would be covered in order to trick you into the purchase. That would come under other consumer protection laws that (hopefully) aren't usurped by the Federal warranty rubric.
Even that would be a tough case though, as I expect those laws are at least arguably usurped by Federal warranty law, and, in any event, your purchase documents are going to expressly supercede any other oral representations or agreements. So a major part of your argument is going to have to be, in essence, that you're an idiot who made a $40k purchase without reading anything.
Regardless, the point stands that it appears you're no better off with a Mopar dealer-installed lift than any other reputable aftermarket company and installer. In fact, it appears other aftermarket options may actually be a better choice insofar as they actually stand behind the parts and the installation.
Sorry, this is not the first time a Mopar lift question was derailed by warranty claims. To answer your question, I found the 2" Mopar lift way too stiff on my 2010 JKUR. It actually prematurely wore out a good set of tires. I had it removed and had an AEV lift installed. Night and day improvement both on and off road. I did keep the Bilsteins however, and had them installed on my son's 2dr JK with an AEV 2" spacer lift. The rest of the Mopar parts were tossed, so for me it was a big waste of money.Unfortunately, this thread has turned fallen away from what I would be really interested in knowing which is precisely what Renaissance_Redneck asked. Does anyone have real world experience and can provide insight to those of us learning about lift kits as to how the Mopar kits stands up to/compares to a TF kit for example(since that seems to be one of the more popular kits on these forums)?
I had the 2" Mopar lift when I purchased the 2010 JKU off the dealer's lot. I asked about the warranty and he showed me a policy letter from Chrysler HQ stating that while they don't warranty the parts (the lift manufacturer does), the installation of Mopar performance parts, including the lifts, would not automatically red flag the vehicle. I no longer have the lift, and can't find the letter, but perhaps Pat or one of the dealers participating on this board could produce it.
Here's the whole back of the mopar parts catalog stating all of the warranties.
Vince: Notice that the Mopar warranty I quoted above (almost) doesn't conflict with the policy letter you were shown. The ony quibble would be your recollection that "the lift manufacturer" warrants the parts--the Mopar warranty expressly disclaims that.No, what I was referring to was a memo put out by Chrysler directly addressing the lift warranty question. Perhaps you can ask around as I know it exists as I saw it with my own eyes.
Otherwise, the policy letter as you remember it simply said, "We won't 'red flag' it." As I noted above, that really is just saying we won't automatically refuse all warranty work based on the lift. Of course, they can't do that anyway, and indeed, the quoted Mopar warranty is clear that "The addition of performance parts does not by itself void a vehicle’s warranty."
They will--as noted above by Pat--"flag" a vehicle as a matter of record keeping. But each potential warranty repair will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
Interesting. Thanks Vince1.Sorry, this is not the first time a Mopar lift question was derailed by warranty claims. To answer your question, I found the 2" Mopar lift way too stiff on my 2010 JKUR. It actually prematurely wore out a good set of tires. I had it removed and had an AEV lift installed. Night and day improvement both on and off road. I did keep the Bilsteins however, and had them installed on my son's 2dr JK with an AEV 2" spacer lift. The rest of the Mopar parts were tossed, so for me it was a big waste of money.
Looking at the pricing alone, it seems this may be another overpriced aftermarket (set of) part(s) from Mopar that may not be worth the money or aggravation. Anyone else have a review?
I want to see a review, too. The Mopar lifts for 2012 use a "limit strap" (PN P5156135) to prevent damage to the driveshaft boot, even on the 2" lift. The straps are shown in the picture of the 3" lift, but the footnote on the first page says that they are included in the Stage 1 and 2 kits for the 2012.Interesting. Thanks Vince1.
Looking at the pricing alone, it seems this may be another overpriced aftermarket (set of) part(s) from Mopar that may not be worth the money or aggravation. Anyone else have a review?
I'm not wild about using a strap to limit suspension travel on a lift. It seems like sloppy engineering to me. Teraflex offers a fitting to move the exhaust pipe out of the way of the driveshaft during extreme flex, and that seems a more appropriate solution.
Anyone want to chime in on that?
Very interesting read. What the short version on warrantee? If I put a lift and bigger tires is my motor and trans still covered if the thing breaks down? I understand that all suspension parts and drive shaft will not be, common sense says so. But what about the other stuff radio, nav, electrical???
dude u rock!!! thanks for thatSaw this in my email today.
What's changed isn't covered and what's damaged by what's changed isn't covered, but everything else remains covered.lightninquick said:Very interesting read. What the short version on warrantee? If I put a lift and bigger tires is my motor and trans still covered if the thing breaks down? I understand that all suspension parts and drive shaft will not be, common sense says so. But what about the other stuff radio, nav, electrical???
So for a warranty claim to be denied as a result of a lift and big tires, the dealer tech would need to somehow blame the problem on the lift and the tires.
Know your consumer rights!Very interesting read. What the short version on warrantee? If I put a lift and bigger tires is my motor and trans still covered if the thing breaks down? I understand that all suspension parts and drive shaft will not be, common sense says so. But what about the other stuff radio, nav, electrical???
The Magnuson-Moss act allows you to modify your vehicle and still retain the factory warranty as long as your modification didn't cause the factory part to fail. Tires have nothing to do with your radio, navi, etc.
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will larger tires increase load on the drivetrain? id think yes, will increased load shorten the life of a drivetrain? id say probably.
its easy for me to think that if i lift the jeep and put big tires on, no more warrantee.:banghead:
its easy for me to think that if i lift the jeep and put big tires on, no more warrantee.:banghead:
In theory yes, but Chrysler can't take that position. Firstly, the issue isn't whether the mod "affects" something, it's whether it contributed to the damage complained of. Secondly, dealers everywhere sell lifted jeeps with big tires, and asserting they had no warranty would be a PR disaster.lightninquick said:will larger tires increase load on the drivetrain? id think yes, will increased load shorten the life of a drivetrain? id say probably.
its easy for me to think that if i lift the jeep and put big tires on, no more warrantee.:banghead:
In theory yes, but Chrysler can't take that position. Firstly, the issue isn't whether the mod "affects" something, it's whether it contributed to the damage complained of. Secondly, dealers everywhere sell lifted jeeps with big tires, and asserting they had no warranty would be a PR disaster.
im convinced! let the modding begin!:dance:
well that was easy. MTH should get kickback from whoever you buy your lift kit from!im convinced! let the modding begin!:dance:
well that was easy. MTH should get kickback from whoever you buy your lift kit from!
i will be sure to give my wife his contact info
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