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I have updated this post as of February 2022... For clarity, I consult (it's a hobby) for a Jeep shop in Scottsdale AZ and we are over 200 JL's built over the last couple of years. This information is just based on my experience and opinion combined with the work we've done at the shop. I think it's important to note that my opinion shared here does not always align with the shop's. For example, on track bars... The shop prefers to promote the Yeti and I like the new Teraflex.

At the bottom of the page is my original post for reference. The shop builds 95% daily driver Jeeps, not hard core crawlers. The focus is on drivability and good looks. I still love the Fox Shocks on the JL.

Most of my links are Q-Tec for simplicity, but shop around, there are deals to be had.

First is my top recommendation. Followed by the economy choice. And then other comments...

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Updated again in March of 2022...


In the context of full disclosure, the shop has had a difficult time buying the Dynatrac and their profit margins are remarkably low (worse than Metalcloak) so the shop has moved away from the Dynatrac lift already. Still recommended, but we're not selling it.

Our inventory is now full of the Teraflex base 2.5 lift, part number 1354200 (4dr) and 1354202 (2dr). We are still using the Fox 985-24-177 and 985-24-178 2"-3" lift shocks and the Mopar 68322798AA control arms for caster.


This is an excellent combination. Extremely similar to the Dynatrac due to the way we combine the components. Back to back driving and none of us could tell which was which...

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Pro Comp (my original recommendation) in general is exiting the lift kit business as many of their suspension products for all brands are shown as discontinued... At the shop we were still able to buy them for a while but have gone to other kits now.

The solution... I have found a combo that I REALLY like. It's the Dynatrac 2" EnduroSport lift kit number JL20-1X5310-A with the addition of Mopar 68322798AA Front Lower Control Arms. These are the stock style control arms that come in the Mopar lift kits and run about $40 each. They add 1 to 1.5° degree of caster and are a perfect match for a 2" lift kit. The Dynatrac kit has tuned Fox shocks that work as intended and this combo feels great on the road and performs very well off-road for mild to medium trail duty. With a factory'ish spring rate and Fox tuned shocks, this is a winner.

35's on Sport and Sahara and 37's on Rubicon or Sport and Sahara with high line/flat fenders. This combo runs about $1600 and is very very good. You could also sub the control arms for geometry brackets if that was your preference, but in this case, that's more expensive. Enjoy!! They list this kit only for the 3.6, but we have installed it on the 2.0 as well. For the Diesel, choose the Mopar kit specifically for the diesel.

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Dynatrac JL20-1X5310-A EnduroSport 2" Lift with Fox Shocks for 18-22 Jeep Wrangler JL Unlimited
The Dynatrac EnduroSport 2" Lift with Fox Shocks fits both the 2 door and 4 door Jeep Wrangler JL. Offering a premium ride quality with the Fox 2.0 IFP Performance Shocks valved specifically for the EnduroSport coil rates.
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Mopar 68322798AA Front Lower Control Arm for 18-22 Jeep Wrangler JL with 2" Mopar Lift
The Mopar Front Lower Control Arm for the JL Wrangler is a replacement for the extended, redesigned control arm that is included with the Mopar 2" Performance Suspension.
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If you wanted Geo Brackets instead of the control arms above, nobody does it better than Rancho.


All in on this combo would be to add the track bars below, but they aren't critical, it works just fine without them.

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Next up is the value proposition:

There is only 1 economy kit that I recommend. It's quite good actually, it's the Skyjacker JL25BPBLT. While I prefer the Fox shocks, make no mistake the Skyjacker Black Max shock works very well on these JL's.

It's $600+ on SJ's website, but I've seen it for mid $450's if you shop around... Around $500 all in if you buy it and the control arms right.


Add the Mopar control arms, same as we do for the Dynatrac for caster correction.


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Another really good build for DD use is the Mopar kit. We used these a lot early on and I still say if someone wants the Mopar kit, go for it. Just be sure to pick up the Rancho or RK spring isolator pads to correct the spring bow that the Mopar kit still has. I think they are on their 4th generation of pads, but for $40 the Rancho pads are simply better. These ride well and are generally considered a plus for the extended warranty crowd.



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If you want more info on the bigger builds with 38" tires and larger, just PM me as each situation is a little different and with the RK kits, you have to add shocks and bump stops to get all of the components.

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Some add on info... If you need to level out from added weight, like a heavy bumper and winch, for $24 the Teraflex spacers are great. You can use just 1 set for 1/2" or stack them if you need up to 1".


For track bars, the new Teraflex IR front track bar and HD rear track bars are not the cheapest, but they are my favorite. Factory quality joint and easy adjustability and they look and perform great.



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In the last 2 years, we have lifted 75 JL's... We started with the Mopar kit and through the spring bow fiasco and now around 10 other MFG's of lift kits tried, we have settled on a favorite.

Overall ride quality and geometry was most important. The last 20 or so builds have all been on this combo... Zero complaints. It just drives and rides like it is supposed to.

It's the Pro Comp K3111 lift. It gives around 3" on a Sport or Sahara and around 2" on a Rubicon. The spring rates are perfect and it includes the geometry correction brackets for perfect driving dynamics.

This lift comes without shocks... Why this one without shocks? Because the Fox IFP shocks for the JL are just so good.

The shocks for the 2-3" lift are perfect and this combo is VERY hard to beat. If you're building a hard core crawler out of your JL, choose something else... But if you want to make your JL simply better in every way, this is my choice.



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Fox® Racing Shox Rear 2.0 Performance Series IFP Shock for 18-20 Jeep Wrangler JL
 

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The statement could be made more helpful to people, like me, who are shopping for a lift kit if there was some context to the comparisons referenced.


For example;



Temporarily ignoring ideas about ground clearance, did the comparison of the other 10 manufacturers' products include any top of the range 8 bar adjustable control arm systems?


Were any extended travel suspension set ups compared to this recommended kit?


Is this just a comparison of daily driver lifts-4-looks kits?


Without further explanation, it seems like one is left to guess which circumstance the recommended kit is ideal for.
 

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It looks like the Pro Comp springs are linear rate. If that's so, have you found that linear attribute to be part of what makes this combo so good?

In the last 2 years, we have lifted 75 JL's... We started with the Mopar kit and through the spring bow fiasco and now around 10 other MFG's of lift kits tried, we have settled on a favorite.

Overall ride quality and geometry was most important. The last 20 or so builds have all been on this combo... Zero complaints. It just drives and rides like it is supposed to.

It's the Pro Comp K3111 lift. It gives around 3" on a Sport or Sahara and around 2" on a Rubicon. The spring rates are perfect and it includes the geometry correction brackets for perfect driving dynamics.

This lift comes without shocks... Why this one without shocks? Because the Fox IFP shocks for the JL are just so good.

The shocks for the 2-3" lift are perfect and this combo is VERY hard to beat. If you're building a hard core crawler out of your JL, choose something else... But if you want to make your JL simply better in every way, this is my choice.



https://www.4wheelparts.com/p/pro-comp-2-3-standard-lift-kit-without-shocks-k3111/_/R-DFCW-K3111

https://www.quadratec.com/p/fox-racing-shox/rear-20-performance-series-ifp-shock-jeep-wrangler-jl
 

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The statement could be made more helpful to people, like me, who are shopping for a lift kit if there was some context to the comparisons referenced.


For example;



Temporarily ignoring ideas about ground clearance, did the comparison of the other 10 manufacturers' products include any top of the range 8 bar adjustable control arm systems?


Were any extended travel suspension set ups compared to this recommended kit?


Is this just a comparison of daily driver lifts-4-looks kits?


Without further explanation, it seems like one is left to guess which circumstance the recommended kit is ideal for.
I did include this in my post... "If you're building a hard core crawler out of your JL, choose something else..."

It is a mild trail and Daily Driver focused setup. It is what the vast majority of JL builds are. Other kits tried included a variety of Skyjacker, Mopar, Rancho, Teraflex, Rough Country, Superlift and Rubicon Express. We are all in around $1100 on the suspension with this setup... The 8 arm kits all start over $2k and go up from there.

The JL has nice flex even stock, but the Fox shocks are longer and will absolutely add to the RTI score.

It looks like the Pro Comp springs are linear rate. If that's so, have you found that linear attribute to be part of what makes this combo so good?
Its possible and maybe likely... The PC springs are a great match for the Fox shocks. The Superlift kit was good too and it was a linear spring also, but needed geometry brackets added that come with the Pro Comp kit.
 

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This is great stuff! Thank you, Pressurized!

Sorry for the silly question; I’m new to JLs: what’s the Mopar lift fiasco?
The JL uses a molded plastic cap on the front spring perch. It's main purpose is to insulate the spring from the axle which quiets down the suspension.

They also got cute and added some shape to those perches to introduce some spring bow in the design. Nobody knows what they were thinking, but they molded the left and right perches differently and the drivers side perch caused so much bow that at times, the spring would rub on the bump stop mount. Not to mention it looked horrible. You can Google Mopar lift spring bow and find a load of hits.

We started putting in the Rock Krawler perches with the Mopar kits and that was great. Early on, the Mopar kit with the RK perches was far and away the best setup. Granted, there weren't many options, but it was still good.

As more kits became available we started looking around and have settled on the PC and FOX shock combo.

It's the nature of the shop, we get a lot of heavy DD and mild off-road customers.
 

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Thanks for explaining.


I live in Moab so we see a wide range of set ups, and the term "hard core rock crawler" can seem a bit vague, unless you are speaking about an actual hard core rock crawler.


I appreciate that you explained further.



Thank you.
 

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Thanks for explaining.


I live in Moab so we see a wide range of set ups, and the term "hard core rock crawler" can seem a bit vague, unless you are speaking about an actual hard core rock crawler.


I appreciate that you explained further.



Thank you.
No problem, I get it... And from Moab, your view on what a lift kit should be is probably different than the vast majority of JL owners.

Another note, the PC springs and all components are black, just like factory. The only thing that doesn't look stock are the great looking FOX shocks in silver.
 
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Hey @Pressurized thanks for voicing a recommendation. I’m looking to lift my JLU in the not too distant future, but admittedly Pro Comp wasn’t even on my radar. Steel wheels, sure. But lifts? Nope, not pro comp. reading your posts over the past few years I’ve come to trust what you say and you actually influenced my choices when I lifted my previous JKU with Rancho. I’m curious what your second choice is for the JL.
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Thanks for the info Pressurized. What did you find to be the sweet spot for tire size with that lift?
 

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Hey @Pressurized thanks for voicing a recommendation. I’m looking to lift my JLU in the not too distant future, but admittedly Pro Comp wasn’t even on my radar. Steel wheels, sure. But lifts? Nope, not pro comp. reading your posts over the past few years I’ve come to trust what you say and you actually influenced my choices when I lifted my previous JKU with Rancho. I’m curious what your second choice is for the JL.
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There are a few that I really like. The Mopar 77072395 with the RK spring pads is still one of my favorites. The AEV N0722100AA is very good. And the JKS Std Spring with Fox Shocks and Geo Brackets is a great kit. The JKS kit has a slightly higher spring rate available, so better for steel bumpers, skids, winch, etc.

One that I want to try but have not is the OME Light Duty OMEJL2DLKS.

For a more aggressive "off-road" build, I like the RK X-Factor. But I would want to cross shop it with Metalcloak as Matson builds great stuff, I just haven't seen one in person yet.

Here's more info on the RK spring pads:

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f1082/rock-krawler-spring-bow-correction-pads-2268922.html

https://www.morris4x4center.com/rock-krawler-front-spring-correction-pads-pair.html

Just for clarity, this info is based solely on my opinion and experience. Hopefully it's valuable to those looking for this category of lift kit.

Thanks for the info Pressurized. What did you find to be the sweet spot for tire size with that lift?
35's for Sport and Sahara and 37's for Rubicon, both fit perfectly. We did put 38's on a Rubicon too, but it looked like it was going to have a slight rub. The owner said it will never be in the dirt so that's what he wanted.
 

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Thanks again for the info @Pressurized AEV 2.5" Dual Sport is on my short list. I have Rock Hard 4x4 steel bumpers (front and rear) along with a full set of steel skids and LOD destroyer steps/sliders so I am looking for a lift kit to handle the weight. Metal Cloak is my dream kit, but it has a bit more flex than I want to get into and then having to deal with driveshafts and wheel choice due to backspace. The AEV will work my QT 5.2" backspace wheels and is supposed to handle my extra weight well.


I'm also considering Synergy. They have a 3" spring available for the 4 door JL.


Thanks again!
 

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Thanks again for the info @Pressurized AEV 2.5" Dual Sport is on my short list. I have Rock Hard 4x4 steel bumpers (front and rear) along with a full set of steel skids and LOD destroyer steps/sliders so I am looking for a lift kit to handle the weight. Metal Cloak is my dream kit, but it has a bit more flex than I want to get into and then having to deal with driveshafts and wheel choice due to backspace. The AEV will work my QT 5.2" backspace wheels and is supposed to handle my extra weight well.


I'm also considering Synergy. They have a 3" spring available for the 4 door JL.


Thanks again!
I love Synergy springs for the JK... No idea what they did with the JL's, no input. They aren't real dealer friendly, a little like Metalcloak, best to deal direct.

But I can say that the JKS is something for you to consider. Not only do they have 2 sets of springs depending on load capacity, they also can do control arms instead of brackets for more ground clearance if you want to be a little more aggressive off-road.

https://jksmfg.com/i-24048406-j-rated-2-5-suspension-system-wrangler-jl-4-door.html
 
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Hey Pressurized - it's funny, I've been on the forum for about 5 years now and didn't realize you were associated with a 4x4 shop. Which one?

I've got a Metal Cloak Gamechanger on the way. I think your post said you haven't seen that set up yet on the JL, if not I'll be happy to send pics when it's done.

Definitely need to get some clearance for the 37's I just put on :).
 

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Hey Pressurized - it's funny, I've been on the forum for about 5 years now and didn't realize you were associated with a 4x4 shop. Which one?

I've got a Metal Cloak Gamechanger on the way. I think your post said you haven't seen that set up yet on the JL, if not I'll be happy to send pics when it's done.

Definitely need to get some clearance for the 37's I just put on :).
I'll PM you...

Matson always produces good stuff. Early on, I was probably the #1 MC fanboi back before MC was popular here on WF. Others like RK adapted and improved their designs to keep up. MC didn't have to... ;)

I'm confident they would be good... But going to be a more off-road focused setup, meaning more $$ to build.
 

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I'll PM you...

Matson always produces good stuff. Early on, I was probably the #1 MC fanboi back before MC was popular here on WF. Others like RK adapted and improved their designs to keep up. MC didn't have to... ;)

I'm confident they would be good... But going to be a more off-road focused setup, meaning more $$ to build.
Yep - Wheeled my JKR hard and want the JLUR to be able to tackle about anything as well. Putting stupid money in this build just like I did the last one, but it's money well spent for the fun factor.
 

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I'll preface by saying I know nothing about lifts...

I've been casually looking around for a lift for my 2-door Sport, is that something even available yet? I can't find much at all about 2-doors, everyone seems to be talking about JLUs. I'd like to go ~2" up, nothing huge.

Is that a custom project type of thing or can I buy the entire package from a good name brand?

Thanks in advance,
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I'll preface by saying I know nothing about lifts...

I've been casually looking around for a lift for my 2-door Sport, is that something even available yet? I can't find much at all about 2-doors, everyone seems to be talking about JLUs. I'd like to go ~2" up, nothing huge.

Is that a custom project type of thing or can I buy the entire package from a good name brand?

Thanks in advance,
-Dirk
What is your goal? Larger tires? Significantly more off-road capability? Beefier look? 2" is doable, but you might be best off with a spacer lift...

A spacer lift will not lift more than the spacer size where spring lifts can sometimes be a fair amount more... So a 2.5" Teraflex spacer lift goes up exactly 2.5 in front and 2.0 in rear. It allows 35" tires on a Sport and works exactly as intended.

https://www.quadratec.com/p/teraflex/2-5-inch-performance-spacer-lift-kit-jeep-wrangler-unlimited-jl
 
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What is your goal? Larger tires? Significantly more off-road capability? Beefier look? 2" is doable, but you might be best off with a spacer lift...

A spacer lift will not lift more than the spacer size where spring lifts can sometimes be a fair amount more... So a 2.5" Teraflex spacer lift goes up exactly 2.5 in front and 2.0 in rear. It allows 35" tires on a Sport and works exactly as intended.

https://www.quadratec.com/p/teraflex/2-5-inch-performance-spacer-lift-kit-jeep-wrangler-unlimited-jl
Assuming a similar 2.5” increase: is there an inherent difference in the quality of the ride between a spacer lift and a complete lift? How about in the articulation?
 

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Assuming a similar 2.5” increase: is there an inherent difference in the quality of the ride between a spacer lift and a complete lift? How about in the articulation?
In most cases, as long as the spacer lift isn't too high, the ride on a spacer lift feels just like stock. You are essentially not changing anything but a little bit of the geometry. The articulation stays stock as well. The only way to increase articulation is to install longer shocks. Usually you need longer springs to support the longer shocks... Thus the increase in performance with a full lift kit.

The stock JL scores about the same on the CTI trailer as a some of the popular 2.5" lift kits for the JK, like Teraflex and AEV... Much better than a stock JK.
 
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