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New Tires - General Grabber APT or ?????

I need some help with new tires for our Jeep Wrangler Sport Unlimited (73k miles). We currently have factory Goodyear Wrangler SR-A tires (P255/75R17) on it. My wife mainly drives it (daily driver....no offroading) and she has had issues with starts when pavement is wet (this isn't a new issue). Does anyone have experience with the General Grabber APTs? Would another tire (maybe the Continental Terrain Contact A/T) be a better choice?

Also, is the (P255/75R17) the biggest/widest tire I can put on the Jeep Wrangler Sport Unlimited without a lift or spacers?

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I need some help with new tires for our Jeep Wrangler Sport Unlimited (73k miles). We currently have factory Goodyear Wrangler SR-A tires (P255/75R17) on it. My wife mainly drives it (daily driver....no offroading) and she has had issues with starts and stops when pavement is wet (this isn't a new issue). We live near Chicago so handling in snow is another major factor. Does anyone have experience with the General Grabber APTs? I really wanted the General Grabber AT2 but they aren't offered in factory size. Would another tire (maybe the Continental Terrain Contact A/T) be a better choice?

Also, is the (P255/75R17) the biggest/widest tire I can put on the Jeep Wrangler Sport Unlimited without a lift/spacers/mods?

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Thanks for the quick response. I just double-checked the Discount Tire site and the only General tire offered in 255/75/17 is the Grabber APT. Is there a different size (ideally slightly taller/wider) that I can check? I tried searching for bigger sizes for stock setups but there seems to be a lot of different opinions.
 

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Thanks! Is the Duratrac too aggressive of a tire for a daily driver (mostly country roads with some suburban town driving)? How is the tread life? How do they compare to the old General Grabber AT2 (had a set on a previous SUV)?
 

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I have an appointment at Discount Tire at noon today so any help would be greatly appreciated. I like the Duratrac but there are a lot of stories online about issues with highway noise and bad wear. Discount Tire only offers 11 other options in the 255/75/17 (Goodyear Wrangler SR-A, Hankook Dynapro ATM RF10, Michelin Defender LTX M/S, Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015, Cooper Discoverer AT3, Continental Terrain Contact A/T, Cooper Discoverer ATP, Cooper Discoverer SRX, General Grabber APT, Hankook Dynapro MT RT03, and Cooper Discoverer AT3 4S)

I read the first page of the link you sent Blue Baby Sound on tire size. So the 255/80/17 is the only completely safe substitute for the 255/75/17? This is my wife's daily driver so I don't want even a chance of her having issues.

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We ran the Duratracs on my wife's '16 Jeep for 25k miles until it was wrecked. I thought they were extremely quiet and they wore well.

IMO good tire rotation habits (every 5k with oil change) will yield good results. No way to tell if the negative reviews rotated their tires correctly. This is true for all brands of tires.

I would have put the Duratracs on her new Jeep but they didn't make it in the size she wanted. We went with the Cooper STT Pro, they have more noise but are still a good tire.
 

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You'll find the largest selection of tires in 265/70R17 (~31.6x10.4"). It's essentially the same size as the stock 255/75R17 (32x10"). Since you have a Sport, yours came with passenger tires, so you don't have to worry about limiting to LT (Light Truck) load range tires. There are a lot of tires to choose from.

https://tiresize.com/comparison/

https://www.discounttire.com/fitmentresult/tires/size/265-70-17

As for going bigger, there isn't really any reason to do so for your needs. I'd stick with 32s.
 

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Thanks! So just to clarify, I can go with 265/70R17 with absolutely no issues? If that is the case, what should I pick for our needs between the Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac, General Grabber AT2, General Grabber ATX, Falken Wildpeak A/T3 and the Cooper Discoverer AT3?
 

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I've never run that size, but everything I've read and seen says it will fit with no issues.
 

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This is probably the order I would choose if off-road capability (especially mud) wasn't important, I wanted the best possible winter traction in an all-season tire (assuming I wouldn't be switching to dedicated snow tires in the winter), and an "aggressive" look wasn't important:

Cooper Discoverer A/T3 4S (265/70 & 255/75)
Cooper Discoverer A/TW (265/70 & 255/75)
Cooper Discoverer X/T4 (essentially the Canadian version of the A/TW, but Discount Tire Direct carries it: 265/70 & 255/75)
General Grabber A/Tx (265/70)
Falken Wildpeak A/T3W (265/70)
Nokian Rotiiva AT (265/70)
Goodyear UltraTerrain AT (265/70)
Bridgestone Dueler Revo 3 (265/70)
Michelin Defender LTX M/S (265/70 & 255/75)
Toyo Open Country AT II (265/70)
Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 (265/70)
Continental Terrain Contact A/T (265/70)
Kumho Road Venture AT51 (265/70)
Goodyear Wrangler Trailrunner AT (265/70)
Goodyear All-Terrain Adventure with Kevlar (265/70 & 255/75)
Firestone Destination A/T (265/70 & 255/75)
Hankook Dynapro ATM RF10 (265/70 & 255/75)
Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac (265/70 & 255/75)
Dick Cepek Trail Country (265/70)
Cooper Discoverer A/T3 (265/70 & 255/75)

This is just what my preference would be for the tires I've found available in these sizes right now. There are plenty of variables when choosing a tire, and no tire is going to check all the boxes. Since you live in Chicago, and you plan on using these tires for all four seasons, then I think the above shakes down pretty well. All-Terrain tires come in many different flavors: some skew toward off-road worthiness (DuraTrac), others are pretty close to highway tires (Michelin), and many companies are now making winter-oriented tires (A/TW). One consideration is how many miles you expect to get out of your tires. The winter "hybrids" utilize a rubber mix that tends to be softer and might wear faster. Check treadwear mileage warranties if that's important to you. The less "aggressive" tread patterns tend to roll better, so if fuel economy and noise level are important, maybe lean away from the more off-road oriented ATs.

Also, several of these tires are virtually brand new, so it's tough to get any longevity or even performance reviews yet.

*Discount Tire probably doesn't carry all of the tires listed, but they can order in any of them - sometimes even same day.
 

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If you wanted to step up to 255/80R17 (33x10"), then you have some options. But they are all Load Range E tires (LT), and an inch taller, which means added weight and stiffness. Plus, they cost more.

Falken Wildpeak A/T3W (just being released in this size)
Toyo Open Country A/T II
Mastercraft Courser CXT (pretty aggressive tire)
Nitto Ridge Grappler A/T (also quite aggressive)
Cooper Discoverer ST MAXX (likely overkill for your needs)
 

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The Duratrac is atrocious in the rain. Worst tire I've ever used on rainy roadways. I wouldn't suggest that tire at all for your needs.

If I were you, I'd go with the Michelin. Sounds like highway safety is your main objective. Stick with a proven HT tire in the size you desire. Skip over the AT and XT tires.
 

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Thanks all. Are the Michelin tires any good in the snow? My wife has a lot of country driving on her way to work and often these roads aren't plowed well. Plus I definitely prefer the look of an AT tire over a HT tire.

I just got back from Discount Tire and I definitely need new tires. One of the tires they suggested is the Goodyear Wrangler UltraTerrain AT. I had never heard of it so wanted to do some research. Any opinions on this?
 

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I just got back from Discount Tire and I definitely need new tires. One of the tires they suggested is the Goodyear Wrangler UltraTerrain AT. I had never heard of it so wanted to do some research. Any opinions on this?
It's a Discount Tire exclusive and just came out recently.

https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tires/goodyear-wrangler-ultraterrain-at/p/44193

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f682/goodyear-wrangler-ultraterrain-at-2331017.html

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f27/wrangler-ultraterrain-at-2334657.html
 

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Thanks all. Are the Michelin tires any good in the snow? My wife has a lot of country driving on her way to work and often these roads aren't plowed well. Plus I definitely prefer the look of an AT tire over a HT tire.
WXman's not wrong about Highway Tires being a viable option as well. Millions of cars, minivans, SUV's and pickups are grinding out wicked winters all over the globe. So long as they're designated all-season, they get the job done on many vehicles. Are they the best in snow? No...but can be passable. Dedicated winter tires are the best for winter conditions. After that, it's a matter of degrees of traction.

Michelin is a premium brand, and all of their AT and all-season tires should be adequate for winter use. At least, passenger vehicle intended winter use. The Defender LTX M/S (mud & snow) should perform as well or better than any Highway Tire out there. Should. Don't have any experience with it to back that up, but they seem to review well enough.
 

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Michelin

Yes sir, what Kock said it true about the LTX Michelins. They changed the name to 'Defender' don't know why , guess it sounded cool to the marketing department.
I run the ( Defender) LTX M/S on the TJ, 31 10.50x15, they are quiet. Excellent is snow and ice. All of those sipes on them are like little grippy-fingers in snow and ice. They are sure footed in rain.

They suck on wet grass. They are not 'mudders either.
But you can run them all day and not give your self a headache, and listen to the radio ( in a TJ ) !
I have a friend that runs them exclusively on his 4runner.

They are ok on gravel roads and fire trails. I get the LT's so they have a stronger sidewall. They are 'E' rated on the Dodge Ram diesel.
They look good on the 'canyon' rims.

I've had dunlops, Yokohamas and Goodyears, they all went noisy about half worn. The Michelins stay quiet.

Costco has them on sale right now.
have a good one
 
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