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As I mentioned above, we loaded up the jeep and camper on my trailer and my buddy (LT 5.3 swap guy) and I headed out to California for the King of The Hammers 2018.

There was so much excitement and we both worked really hard to be able to go on this trip. Having done both LS swaps in the previous 5 months and not having any confidence in the swaps yet, we decided it was best to trailer one jeep out to have for a run around at the Hammers but not have to worry about any issues while driving 20+ hours. I don't think I had put even a 100 miles on the jeep before we loaded it up. I know for fact that I had not driven it up a mountain pass or steep grade to figure out if the temps would be ok. I was feeling pretty good about the decision to trailer out to California.

Then this happens.......

2012 F350 6.7 powerstroke motor seized up just outside Denver on Floyd Hill. This section of I70 is famous for truckers having problems due to the 7 percent grade and high altitude. The truck was pulling like a freight train and all of a sudden the lights on the dash go out and the truck stops running. It felt as if the transmission was needing to down shift but couldn't. It all happened so fast I couldn't even coast off to the side of the road.

There we were stuck in the right lane of I70 at 4am on a cold and windy morning with no way to get the truck started and no lights to let on coming cars and trucks know we were there. Its pitch dark and we are stuck.

At this time we didn't understand why we couldn't even turn on the hazards to alert cars of our position. So to keep from being run into we decided to turn on the jeep and use its lights to keep us safe while we figured out what to do.

Jeep was dead and unable to start. More on that later. So frustrated!!

We were screwed. It was probably 20 degrees out and with the crazy wind I would bet the wind chill was below zero. We were starting to get cold and grumpy. Every thing we tried wasn't working.

I remembered we had two brand new batteries on the camper that we could use to jump the jeep. So I unhooked the camper battery and took it back to the jeep and got the jeep started. So we were at least able to us the tail lights from the jeep to alert traffic. Of coarse by now the sun was starting to rise and it was not as dangerous as it was few hours earlier.

We still had a major problem, the F350 was dead as a door nail and stuck out in the lane of traffic with no shoulder to get over too and pointed up a crazy steep pass.

We had to do something aggressive and do it fast! We had numerous close calls with trucks just missing our trailer. One came so close to hitting us that I still don't know how he missed us. The scary part is that I was between the truck and trailer when he missed us. Had he hit the trailer I could have very easily been killed.

New plan.... take the jeep off the trailer and use the jeep to pull the truck and trailer up the hill 800-1000 feet to a pull over where were could get off the road and in a safe position. This was definitely going to be a challenge for the jeep to pull that heavy load up that grade.

I put the jeep in 4Low and it pulled us up and out of trouble like a champ! No problem.

More to come.........
 

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As I mentioned above, we loaded up the jeep and camper on my trailer and my buddy (LT 5.3 swap guy) and I headed out to California for the King of The Hammers 2018.

There was so much excitement and we both worked really hard to be able to go on this trip. Having done both LS swaps in the previous 5 months and not having any confidence in the swaps yet, we decided it was best to trailer one jeep out to have for a run around at the Hammers but not have to worry about any issues while driving 20+ hours. I don't think I had put even a 100 miles on the jeep before we loaded it up. I know for fact that I had not driven it up a mountain pass or steep grade to figure out if the temps would be ok. I was feeling pretty good about the decision to trailer out to California.

Then this happens.......

2012 F350 6.7 powerstroke motor seized up just outside Denver on Floyd Hill. This section of I70 is famous for truckers having problems due to the 7 percent grade and high altitude. The truck was pulling like a freight train and all of a sudden the lights on the dash go out and the truck stops running. It felt as if the transmission was needing to down shift but couldn't. It all happened so fast I couldn't even coast off to the side of the road.

There we were stuck in the right lane of I70 at 4am on a cold and windy morning with no way to get the truck started and no lights to let on coming cars and trucks know we were there. Its pitch dark and we are stuck.

At this time we didn't understand why we couldn't even turn on the hazards to alert cars of our position. So to keep from being run into we decided to turn on the jeep and use its lights to keep us safe while we figured out what to do.

Jeep was dead and unable to start. More on that later. So frustrated!!

We were screwed. It was probably 20 degrees out and with the crazy wind I would bet the wind chill was below zero. We were starting to get cold and grumpy. Every thing we tried wasn't working.

I remembered we had two brand new batteries on the camper that we could use to jump the jeep. So I unhooked the camper battery and took it back to the jeep and got the jeep started. So we were at least able to us the tail lights from the jeep to alert traffic. Of coarse by now the sun was starting to rise and it was not as dangerous as it was few hours earlier.

We still had a major problem, the F350 was dead as a door nail and stuck out in the lane of traffic with no shoulder to get over too and pointed up a crazy steep pass.

We had to do something aggressive and do it fast! We had numerous close calls with trucks just missing our trailer. One came so close to hitting us that I still don't know how he missed us. The scary part is that I was between the truck and trailer when he missed us. Had he hit the trailer I could have very easily been killed.

New plan.... take the jeep off the trailer and use the jeep to pull the truck and trailer up the hill 800-1000 feet to a pull over where were could get off the road and in a safe position. This was definitely going to be a challenge for the jeep to pull that heavy load up that grade.

I put the jeep in 4Low and it pulled us up and out of trouble like a champ! No problem.

More to come.........
I've been in some close calls before, but yours....ok...WOW!!!! I've driven that road many times, and just reading this got my anxiety level going:nonono:

4Lo could pull a freight train, with the V8, you walked it up. Having said that, you have the 4:1 T-case?







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4Lo could pull a freight train, with the V8, you walked it up. Having said that, you have the 4:1 T-case?
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No, when you do an LS swap you remove the 4:1 tcase and go with a stock 241J from a non rubicon model. The 6L80 auto uses a 4:1 first gear. You can use both, but its way too low for most trail use. Plus the adaptor that allows the rubicon case is much weaker then the 241J adaptor.

That said, it still pulled the load easy. Fact it was surprisingly easy for the jeep to get the load moving. Once it was rolling it was easy to get going too fast. Josh still had to steer the F350 with no power and that is no easy task.
 

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So we get the truck and trailer up to the crest of the hill and pulled over into a very large area that is ideal for us to work on the truck.

After an hour of trying to diagnose the problem with the truck, we decided that it was way more then we could deal with and it would need to be towed home. I called a tow company and they said they would have a truck to us in 1.5 hours. Great, we could drive the jeep up the road to Evergreen and have some breakfast and warm up till it came.

After 2.5 hours and still no truck. When we called the truck driver to see where he was, he said he was on another call first and would be 5 more hours. That was ridiculous and we were not waiting that long. We called them back and canceled the order. I called my office at work and had one of my guys jump in a truck and head our way.

Josh and I still wanted to go to California so we figured we could just unload the camper from the trailer and tow it with the jeep and not miss a beat. We would wait for, Keith my driver to get there, hook the gooseneck to his truck, load the F350 on the gooseneck and he could take it back to my shop. Perfect plan. Only issue we had was the plates on the camper were missing. Never thought about the plates on the camper because it was always going to be on the big trailer. I was borrowing a buddy's camper trailer so I called him up and he met up with Keith on the way and gave him the plates. Wow, some things just work out.

Things were looking up and both Josh and I were exhausted but catching our second wind with the new plan and idea that the trip was still on. We had left my house 12 hours ago and we were only 77 miles away. Crazy!
 

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Some days things just don't go right! After I took the battery off the camper to jump start the jeep I forgot to but it back in the camper. Soooooo, after we hooked up the jeep to the camper and plugged in the wiring harness I needed to move the jeep out of the way of the gooseneck so Keith could get going. Just as I started to move, Josh started yelling FIRE, FIRE, FIRE!!!!!! Sure enough, the wires from the camper had grounded to the frame and huge flames were coming from the camper. NOT GOOD!

I jumped out of the jeep and ran back to inspect what the hell was going on and immediately knew what had happened and that it was all my fault. I was able to pull the wire off the frame and put the flames down with my shirt. I was so mad at myself. This was a self inflicted wound and I was not happy. Now the trailer had no lights and we were not going to have any of the camper functions while camping.

We were going to have to stop and get some parts. ugggg! Not what I wanted to have to deal with.

We were starting to feel the effects of the weather, hard work and stressful situation. A warm lunch was in order. We drove the jeep and camper back up the pass to Evergreen and pulled into Qdoba. With some time to reflect and plan we were feeling pretty shaky with our situation. After walking back out to the jeep we took a look at the trailer and realized we also needed to consider getting some new tires for the camper. They were not going to make the 1100 miles we had to go. Off to BigR we went. Got some new tires mounted on wheels from Walmart and a magnet light kit for the camper. After a little work in the parking lot we were ready to head off to California. At least we thought so........

Stay tuned, there is WAY more to this disaster of a trip. :)
 

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Good lord the struggle is real. I can't wait to hear what happened next. I am currently waiting for North Ridge to ship my new ProRock 44 after bending my stock D30 on a recent trip to Calico. This is quite the defeating trip so far.
 

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As I mentioned above, we loaded up the jeep and camper on my trailer and my buddy (LT 5.3 swap guy) and I headed out to California for the King of The Hammers 2018.

There was so much excitement and we both worked really hard to be able to go on this trip. Having done both LS swaps in the previous 5 months and not having any confidence in the swaps yet, we decided it was best to trailer one jeep out to have for a run around at the Hammers but not have to worry about any issues while driving 20+ hours. I don't think I had put even a 100 miles on the jeep before we loaded it up. I know for fact that I had not driven it up a mountain pass or steep grade to figure out if the temps would be ok. I was feeling pretty good about the decision to trailer out to California.

Then this happens.......

2012 F350 6.7 powerstroke motor seized up just outside Denver on Floyd Hill. This section of I70 is famous for truckers having problems due to the 7 percent grade and high altitude. The truck was pulling like a freight train and all of a sudden the lights on the dash go out and the truck stops running. It felt as if the transmission was needing to down shift but couldn't. It all happened so fast I couldn't even coast off to the side of the road.

There we were stuck in the right lane of I70 at 4am on a cold and windy morning with no way to get the truck started and no lights to let on coming cars and trucks know we were there. Its pitch dark and we are stuck.

At this time we didn't understand why we couldn't even turn on the hazards to alert cars of our position. So to keep from being run into we decided to turn on the jeep and use its lights to keep us safe while we figured out what to do.

Jeep was dead and unable to start. More on that later. So frustrated!!

We were screwed. It was probably 20 degrees out and with the crazy wind I would bet the wind chill was below zero. We were starting to get cold and grumpy. Every thing we tried wasn't working.

I remembered we had two brand new batteries on the camper that we could use to jump the jeep. So I unhooked the camper battery and took it back to the jeep and got the jeep started. So we were at least able to us the tail lights from the jeep to alert traffic. Of coarse by now the sun was starting to rise and it was not as dangerous as it was few hours earlier.

We still had a major problem, the F350 was dead as a door nail and stuck out in the lane of traffic with no shoulder to get over too and pointed up a crazy steep pass.

We had to do something aggressive and do it fast! We had numerous close calls with trucks just missing our trailer. One came so close to hitting us that I still don't know how he missed us. The scary part is that I was between the truck and trailer when he missed us. Had he hit the trailer I could have very easily been killed.

New plan.... take the jeep off the trailer and use the jeep to pull the truck and trailer up the hill 800-1000 feet to a pull over where were could get off the road and in a safe position. This was definitely going to be a challenge for the jeep to pull that heavy load up that grade.

I put the jeep in 4Low and it pulled us up and out of trouble like a champ! No problem.

More to come.........

Two words.... HOLY CRAP! :jawdrop:
 

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Some days things just don't go right! After I took the battery off the camper to jump start the jeep I forgot to but it back in the camper. Soooooo, after we hooked up the jeep to the camper and plugged in the wiring harness I needed to move the jeep out of the way of the gooseneck so Keith could get going. Just as I started to move, Josh started yelling FIRE, FIRE, FIRE!!!!!! Sure enough, the wires from the camper had grounded to the frame and huge flames were coming from the camper. NOT GOOD!

I jumped out of the jeep and ran back to inspect what the hell was going on and immediately knew what had happened and that it was all my fault. I was able to pull the wire off the frame and put the flames down with my shirt. I was so mad at myself. This was a self inflicted wound and I was not happy. Now the trailer had no lights and we were not going to have any of the camper functions while camping.

We were going to have to stop and get some parts. ugggg! Not what I wanted to have to deal with.

We were starting to feel the effects of the weather, hard work and stressful situation. A warm lunch was in order. We drove the jeep and camper back up the pass to Evergreen and pulled into Qdoba. With some time to reflect and plan we were feeling pretty shaky with our situation. After walking back out to the jeep we took a look at the trailer and realized we also needed to consider getting some new tires for the camper. They were not going to make the 1100 miles we had to go. Off to BigR we went. Got some new tires mounted on wheels from Walmart and a magnet light kit for the camper. After a little work in the parking lot we were ready to head off to California. At least we thought so........

Stay tuned, there is WAY more to this disaster of a trip. :)

Listen. Don’t take this the wrong way but this makes me feel so much better about a camping trip I went on with my family to the island of Martha’s Vineyard. It was a disaster I still cannot get myself to write about! I also commend you on your resolve to go to KOH because all this happening within 77 miles of home would of turned me around. I would have taken this as a sign for sure.
 

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Ok, lets get back to this crazy story....

Now that we had two new wheels and tires under the trailer and the new wiring and lights were working, we headed out finally starting our trip.

We had to completely over pack the jeep full to get all the gear that we had in the truck into the jeep. I mean there was not one square inch of space in the cabin of the jeep. It was a load. Not sure how much it weighed, but I bet we gained 500-800 pounds easy. We even stuffed the little space the popup camper had inside. I was anxious to see how the jeep pulled the load.

We made it up and over the passes and into Grand Junction Colorado. At this time it was clear to both of us that we were worn out and just not up for another 12 hours of driving so we made a change to the trip and decided to go to Moab for a few days and just relax, hit a trail or two, mostly just hang out. It had been more then we bargained for already and our harts just went into the California trip anymore. So off to Moab we went.

It was late and very dark when we arrived in Moab. Finding a camping site was not easy, but we new the area and were able to slip into a good spot and set up for the night. Since there was not electric into the camper we had to use the generator to get the site set up and heat up the camper.

By all accounts, things went well and we were fast asleep!!!
 

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The next morning we fixed breakfast and figured out the plan for the day. Poison Spider Mesa was a perfect trail for the day. Off we went.

The trip seamed to have settled down a bit and we were feeling good.......That didn't last long......

Stay tuned.......
 

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Pretty wild story.
 

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Time to get this going again.

After about an hour or two on the trail, we were climbing a little ledge and the worst sound ever came from the Tcase. Bang!! Super loud. However, it just seamed like it had popped out of gear. Nope, it would not shift into high or low range. It was stuck in neutral. So we spent the next hour trying to get it into gear.

Having just done the LS swap and installing a used JKU case that I had no history with, I was not sure what had happened. I also thought it could be the linkage since the swap has some really hokey brackets for the linkage I was not really sure where the problem was. After doing everything one can do on the trail, we were pretty much screwed. We were far enough into the trail that were knew we were in for either a really long walk or waiting around and hoping another vehicle came along.

I wasn't really into either of those options so I jumped in the jeep and started to get aggressive with the shifter. Low and behold, the dumb thing went into low! Hallelujah! We were in business.

So we turned around and headed back off the trail. As we made our way down the trail it became clear that something major was wrong inside the case. A God awful grinding noise was getting louder and louder. At this time we were still at least an hour from the trail head and then like 6-8 miles to get back into town. We proceeded as carefully as possible absolutely babying the heck out the jeep on every little bump in the trail.

By the time we were at the trail head the noice had become so loud at any speed over about 3 or 4 MPH that it felt like it was going to explode. Not having a trailer or truck to haul the jeep into town we decided to drive it as slow as possible and see how far we could get.

3 hours after hitting the asphalt, we made it to Moab 4x4. How that tcase held together is beyond me. I am not sure it would have made it another 500 feet past the parking lot of the shop.

They put it on the lift and out came the case. Not good as was to be expected.
 

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Josh, who was with me on this trip, (Dunedain313) has just pointed out a few holes in my story..... because I can't edit my post, Ill add it now.

I failed to mention that it was closer to 3 hours trying to get the jeep into gear. We did everything one would think of. We winched it forward and let it roll back to try to engage it. We tried while winching forward. we raved it up and tried to bump it in at different RPM's. We tried with the motor off. We took the drive shaft off to try to release the binding on the drive train. We rocked and rolled it back and forth. We took the linkage cable off and tried to pound the lever on the case with a hammer. We got so exhausted we took lunch to bitch and complain. :pullinghair:
Im pretty sure we were preparing for a very long hike out and slow walk back to town.

The other crazy thing was that we did not see one, not one other vehicle on the trail the entire time we were there. Thats a first for me. All the years I have been going to Moab, I have always seen at least one truck on the trail. Not that day, not one. Crazy!!

I can say with certainty, that is the only time I have ever attempted a trail in Moab with out another vehicle with me. That will be the last time too.

Lesson learned, always have a wing man with a vehicle, not just in the passenger seat.
 

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Wow... Looks like you had some really poor engagement in the t case? Thank god you managed to get it back into low!

Waiting for the rest of the story now that @Dunedain313 is here to keep it straight. Haha..

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Upon inspection of the adaptor, it was dinged up but usable. A little work with a file and it was good enough to trust. The problem was the old Tcase was so jacked up the nothing in it was usable and the case its self was messed up too. The end conclusion was that when I installed the adaptor in the tcase, the large snap ring did not get seated 100% and worked its way loose. When that happened, everything inside came loose too. This makes me wonder how the heck we ever made it back into town. It literally just dumped out of the case like a bag of legos. You can see it the pictures how much carnage was inside the case yet it still functioned, sort of. :)

Now we had to figure out how to locate a stock unlimited case in a town that was almost a ghost town that time of year. The problem in Moab is that most of the rental jeeps and most of the local jeeps are Rubicon models. That was not going to work. I need a stock 241J.

Somehow, the owner of Moab 4x4 had a customers jeep in the shop waiting for an Atlas case to be made and the owner had left the jeep in Moab for the winter and would not be coming back till EAS and by then, the Atlas would be there and installed. So he called the owner up, who lived in NY, and asked if he wanted to sell his stock case. Luckily he said yes and we were off to the races. Rory, the owner of Moab Offroad wanted to to take the stock case out of his customers jeep the next morning and install the adaptor and case into my jeep the next day. So Josh and I had to kill some time and figure out how to get to our camp site.

The camper was a very very long walk from the 4x4 shop and it was dark out. We had nothing with us and no idea what to do.

It was at this time that I decided to call a buddy of mine that owned a jeep rental shop in Moab and discuss renting a jeep for the evening and the next day just to be able to get around. I called Jeremy at Outlaw Jeep Tours to see what he had. This guy is awesome! He hooked up up with a brand new, and I mean brand new 2018 Rubicon! Josh and I were in business. We meet up with Jeremy and took the keys to our freedom for the next 24 hours. Amazing luck.

More on Jeremy and Outlaw Jeep Tours coming up.
 

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