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Well its time that I upgrade the sound bar (curse you Wranglerforum!!!) because I am doing the Tweeter mod (although I have always been in pursuit of better sound) so with the tweeter mod going to be done soon and the sound bar upgraded speakers already in I want to pull the sound bar and the front speakers and line the inner portions of the boxes with sound deadener and the sound baffle surrounds so yea, let the fun start!!


should I stick with what I have now (alpine OEM "upgrade" speakers) or go with something different? should I use coax speakers or non coax speakers? same for the fronts?
 

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I tried changing out the premium speakers with some fairly expensive hertz speakers (Hertz MPK 165.3 Pro)


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Sounded like crap and I ended up putting the Alpines back in.


What I found was that the Alpines were specifically built for that sound bar and you're not going to get a better sound. The alpine speaker is deep enough so the magnet rests right up against the back of the box which reinforces the back to keep the vibrations down. The hertz speakers aren't anywhere near as deep so at higher volumes the whole backside of the sound bar was vibrating like crazy. I did keep the hertz tweets and cross overs though.


Now I suppose what you could try (I didn't) is gluing a wood spacer to the magnet on your replacement speaker and let it act as reinforcement.


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I do see where your coming from, would these work better in the front boxes (i am planing on hitting those as well, the main thing with the sound bar is I plan to put sound deadener or sound dampening to get the "hollow" sound out of the bar as I think I am pucking oup the reverbs inside the box and it is creating that hollow sound...

would you suggest those for the front positions? should I go with another set of the 77KICK10 for the front of the jeep or just stick 2 way coax speakers in the fronts? I am currently running two 77KICK10's in the sound bar as is and have enjoyed the sound from them...except the "hollow" sound I get from the bar....
 

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Upgrading the sound bar correctly is time consuming. The big issue with the sound bar is the vibration. If I get my other computer unpacked I can post some picture of what it takes. You need to make sure left and right are totally separated. I did this by stuff as much closed cell foam as I could between the speakers, then seal it up with sound dampening material.

The next thing to do is make the speaker hole stiffer. I used 3 wooden dowels screwed and clued the front and back. I also added a piece of sound dampening behind the speaker. I also added some poly-fill.

Last thing I did was cover the whole sound bar with dampening material. The I bondo'd and sanded the entire bar, then painted it. I will say that from a sound perspective it is about perfect. It does not vibrate at all. From a looks perspective it could be better.

I probably spent about 120 hours on this.
 

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Well its time that I upgrade the sound bar...
Don't forget that the stock head unit is limited specifically for those crappy stock speakers. Fiat, in its infinite wisdom, has figured out how to prevent those cheap speakers from sounding bad, by cutting out certain frequencies in the software of the head unit.

In short, a speaker upgrade will only be complete with an aftermarket head unit.
 

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Don't forget that the stock head unit is limited specifically for those crappy stock speakers. Fiat, in its infinite wisdom, has figured out how to prevent those cheap speakers from sounding bad, by cutting out certain frequencies in the software of the head unit.

In short, a speaker upgrade will only be complete with an aftermarket head unit.
after market HU already completed hehe, but I do agree about Fiats "infinite" wisdom.....but again corporate greed has a factor in it too....
 

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I did sound deadener material like dynamat all on the inside of each encloser, including the soundbar. Just placed strips of it covering most of the inside. Especially the backside and edges. Then added some polyfill and I can do full volume with zero distortion or rattling. Stuffed it pretty fill of the polyfill.

I used JBL speakers all around and it sounds great. Stock headunit and had stock "premium" alpine sound.
 

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I did sound deadener material like dynamat all on the inside of each encloser, including the soundbar. Just placed strips of it covering most of the inside. Especially the backside and edges. Then added some polyfill and I can do full volume with zero distortion or rattling. Stuffed it pretty fill of the polyfill.

I used JBL speakers all around and it sounds great. Stock headunit and had stock "premium" alpine sound.
what type of JBL speakers did you use?
 

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I changed my mind!


I cranked her up last night and the alpine speakers were bottoming out something awful (too much power for them to handle.)


This morning I went and bought 6x9's (Kenwood Excelon KFC X694) and am fitting them into the sound bar. I don't think the 6x9's will produce any better bass because of the limiting size of the sound bar but I should be able to drive them harder. They don't need to produce a lot of bass anyway... that's what the dual 12" subs are for.
I hope this sounds okay because there is no going back!


The soundbar face plate has been pretty much cut out and I made an adapter out of 1/2 inch ply to accept the 6x9's (they still need to be painted and caulked in). The back was reinforced with 1/2 inch ply. The ply has been glued and screwed (PL construction glue) so it should hold pretty solid.


Today the glue is drying and tomorrow I need to paint, caulk and finish but here is roughly what it looks like:


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Having listened to the '14's Alpine Premium sound system (8 speakers) for 5 years and 107k miles, what FCA did to the Recons system with the 9 speaker system, I don't need to upgrade. It was like night and day. I love the sounds of the 9 speaker system. I might take it apart and pack it with sound deadening material some day, but in no hurry to do that.
 

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Having listened to the '14's Alpine Premium sound system (8 speakers) for 5 years and 107k miles, what FCA did to the Recons system with the 9 speaker system, I don't need to upgrade. It was like night and day. I love the sounds of the 9 speaker system. I might take it apart and pack it with sound deadening material some day, but in no hurry to do that.
mine is just the base 6 speaker set up so yea, I don't really want to do much more then clean it up some....
 

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Having listened to the '14's Alpine Premium sound system (8 speakers) for 5 years and 107k miles, what FCA did to the Recons system with the 9 speaker system, I don't need to upgrade. It was like night and day. I love the sounds of the 9 speaker system. I might take it apart and pack it with sound deadening material some day, but in no hurry to do that.

I've ripped my 9 speaker system out pretty much completely now. Sounded pretty good but not enough power.... and of course once you go to an aftermarket head unit it no longer (precisely) match the system anymore.
 

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I've ripped my 9 speaker system out pretty much completely now. Sounded pretty good but not enough power.... and of course once you go to an aftermarket head unit it no longer (precisely) match the system anymore.
My wife starts beating me over the head when I turn the volume up over 50%. I occasionally hear one of those nostalgic 70's songs that I just can't resist. My top volume when I'm by myself and want to rock out is about 60% then my ears start complaining. It still sounds good at 60-70%. No break up or distortion. I really love it.
 

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Well its time that I upgrade the sound bar (curse you Wranglerforum!!!) because I am doing the Tweeter mod (although I have always been in pursuit of better sound) so with the tweeter mod going to be done soon and the sound bar upgraded speakers already in I want to pull the sound bar and the front speakers and line the inner portions of the boxes with sound deadener and the sound baffle surrounds so yea, let the fun start!!


should I stick with what I have now (alpine OEM "upgrade" speakers) or go with something different? should I use coax speakers or non coax speakers? same for the fronts?
Mine's is a 2014 that had the alpine option. Here is what I did. Finally happy with the sound.
 

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cool, I posted in that thread also, your some of your pictures didn't seem to be working
 

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I would have done those Mopar KICKER Upgrades in the front before the sound bar.
If you not out to spend a whole lot of money on speakers, the Kicker UPGRADE or the OEM Alpines. The Kicker 6.75” Deluxe Speaker Upgrade Kit are great and better than the Alpine SPV-65X-WRA I relaxed them with. The 6.75 Kickers gave really nice mid-bass. The alpines, NONE! But having a sub now it does not matter and they are clear sounding.
 

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I changed my mind!


I cranked her up last night and the alpine speakers were bottoming out something awful (too much power for them to handle.)


This morning I went and bought 6x9's (Kenwood Excelon KFC X694) and am fitting them into the sound bar. I don't think the 6x9's will produce any better bass because of the limiting size of the sound bar but I should be able to drive them harder. They don't need to produce a lot of bass anyway... that's what the dual 12" subs are for.
I hope this sounds okay because there is no going back!


The soundbar face plate has been pretty much cut out and I made an adapter out of 1/2 inch ply to accept the 6x9's (they still need to be painted and caulked in). The back was reinforced with 1/2 inch ply. The ply has been glued and screwed (PL construction glue) so it should hold pretty solid.


Today the glue is drying and tomorrow I need to paint, caulk and finish but here is roughly what it looks like:


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6x9" speakers? Back to the 80's!! Hope it works out.
 

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I would have done those Mopar KICKER Upgrades in the front before the sound bar.
If you not out to spend a whole lot of money on speakers, the Kicker UPGRADE or the OEM Alpines. The Kicker 6.75” Deluxe Speaker Upgrade Kit are great and better than the Alpine SPV-65X-WRA I relaxed them with. The 6.75 Kickers gave really nice mid-bass. The alpines, NONE! But having a sub now it does not matter and they are clear sounding.

I kept blowing subs, including the factory one. I now have dual 12" subs that will take a serious pounding. Couldn't get them under the seats though... too big.


I have a tuffy security enclosure in the back so I built a sub box about the same height as the enclosure, cut the enclosure short by 8" and the sub box now acts as the back of the security enclosure.


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