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Hello all! New to the forums but have had a 2009 wrangler x for 2 years now. Looking to purchase a new set of tires. Some 285/70/17 BFG AT KO’s were on the Jeep when I bought it but I feel like they are not a good tire for winter, and there’s A LOT of snow here in the UP of MI for 6-7 months of the year. I narrowed it down to either Dick Cepek Extreme Country or Wranlger DuraTracs. I’m just looking for some personal experience with either and some insight. Or if you have other suggestions! I do a lot of highway driving and weekend off roading. Tread wear and longevity are important to me in the tire I am going to buy. Thanks for any help you might have!
 

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Welcome to WF.

Since you’re in the UP, I would recommend a true snow tire not just something with a snow flake. Although the both tires you mentioned will work in the snow neither is a TRUE snow tire. The Hankook Ipike, Firestone Winterforce, Michelin X-ice, Dunlop Winter Maxx, etc will outperform any all season or AT tire everyday all day. I grew up in Northern Wisconsin, I know the conditions you’re going to deal with in the UP. It’ll mean a bit more of an investment but both sets of your tires will last 2x-3x longer paying for themselves.
 

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Welcome to WF.

Since you’re in the UP, I would recommend a true snow tire not just something with a snow flake. Although the both tires you mentioned will work in the snow neither is a TRUE snow tire. The Hankook Ipike, Firestone Winterforce, Michelin X-ice, Dunlop Winter Maxx, etc will outperform any all season or AT tire everyday all day. I grew up in Northern Wisconsin, I know the conditions you’re going to deal with in the UP. It’ll mean a bit more of an investment but both sets of your tires will last 2x-3x longer paying for themselves.
Wow, looking at those snow tires I don't see how they out perform a good AT tire. But I haven't seen snows like you guys get up there. The one snow I have had my Jeep and KO2's in was in Atlanta and was quite soft and slushy. No ice underneath. The tires did awesome. So how do the dedicated snow tires out perform ATs?
 

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Wow, looking at those snow tires I don't see how they out perform a good AT tire. But I haven't seen snows like you guys get up there. The one snow I have had my Jeep and KO2's in was in Atlanta and was quite soft and slushy. No ice underneath. The tires did awesome. So how do the dedicated snow tires out perform ATs?
If you go on YouTube you’ll see the difference in test results. The compound in a true snow tire is softer at temperatures below 40°, the tire also has more siping, these sipes create more biting edges in packed snow and ice giving you much better traction for takeoff and stopping. Once you run a snow tire in winter you’ll never run an AT for winter use again. Another benefit is being able to avoid the idiot that thinks because they have 4x4 or AWD they and drive like they always do.

 

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LOL...I love KOs and think they kick ass on my Jeep and have had them on previous 4x rigs. I'm running Toyo Open Country AT's on my Tundra.

Both work great for me, but we don't get as much snow as you...
 

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Yeah it’s pretty common to be below zero for a month at a time here. And sometimes pushing -30 to -40. Does that affect the traction ability of a tire?
 

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Hi, JJ-

Tires are a product of compromise - no single tire can score 10 out of 10 in all performance areas (I.E. winter performance, longevity, etc).

All-season/All-weather tires like DuraTrac, Wildpeak A/T3W, UltraTerrain A/T, ETC are geared for moderate winter conditions. Once temperatures start to dip below 40 degrees or so the rubber compound starts to lose pliability and become hard. It is at this point where the tire starts losing grip.

This is where winter tires come in.

Winter tires have specialized rubber compounds that remain pliable in cold/frigid temperatures. Winter tires also have high sip density (small slits in the tire) which improves grip in snowy conditions. The trade-off, of course, is when it's warm out the rubber compound is too soft and performance handling is greatly reduced because the tire tread effectively distorts under load. Longevity is compromised as well. This is why you wouldn't run a winter tire year round.
 
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