Its bad when the 16 yr old son can rip dad's rear for totaling his jeep. I want a 2005-2009 Rubicon. Any suggestions on searching? I am already looking at autotrader. Thanks for the help. I am used to being in hot water with the wife. My boy is a different matter. I would rather him yell at me than give me the "Glad you weren't hurt" treatment I'm getting!!!