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So out of all the years that I have been wheeling I have normally come across people on the trail that understand the basic etiquette associated with the trail. From everything that I have ever heard and understood, the person going uphill has the right of way, because it is harder and more dangerous to back up going down hill.
I also learned that if you are a single Jeep and you come up on a convoy, the single Jeep pulls over and lets the convoy go by. It is easier for 6 Jeeps to go around 1, especially on a tight trail.


So here is the fun situation that I ran into today... I was leading a group of 7 Jeeps and other rigs up a trail. It started to rain, so everything was slick. I pulled my Jeep through a section of this wash to a stopping point, then went back to spot the girl behind me. As I was coming back to my Jeep I notice a person at a wider point of the trail, and they stopped so I thought they had common sense. There was plenty of room for everyone to get around this Jeep where they were and they could see our whole group from the higher vantage point. So I just go back to help spot some others through a rough area and when I get back this db is now right in front of me and our group. I give them the WTF hand gesture because now we all have to drive around him at a narrow slopping section. And keep in mind that it is wet out and we are it a rock garden style wash.

Needless to say the guy just sits there and I start to go around him. I was doing great until the last part when I slid down the wet rock and our two back drivers side fenders flares hit. I got a light scratch and it popped his fender out of the clips. No big deal right... we are on the trail and a fender on a JK popped a couple clips out. No body damage what so ever. Nope this guy starts getting all mad because I hit him and starts demanding insurance information. Not only that but his little db buddy keeps on pointing out that the dealership license plate frame surround is broken, like it was some priceless family treasure.

It took everything that I had in me to keep my mouth shut after I told him that he should have stayed at the top where there was room for everyone to pass him safely. The only thing that we could think of was with the light raining this guy was in a hurry to get off the trail because it was topless and door less. I popped his fender flare back on the best that I could and gave him my info then I went on my way.

I just write it off as cosmetic trail damage, who cares I have desert pin stripping worse. But I am assuming that this guy is going to be a jerk about it. I personally have no problem helping him pull his flare off and ensuring that all of the clips are on and seated correctly, then re install it, but with his attitude I doubt that I will even do that. The only thing that the guy has is my first name and my cell phone number. I would also assume that they took a picture of my lic plate too, but who cares.

I told the guy that I was sorry, but honestly what else should I do. All cosmetic damage that occurred on a wet rocky trail that happened because the guy put himself in that situation. I am waiting to see if he is going to call me or just come to his senses.


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So out of all the years that I have been wheeling I have normally come across people on the trail that understand the basic etiquette associated with the trail. From everything that I have ever heard and understood, the person going uphill has the right of way, because it is harder and more dangerous to back up going down hill.
I also learned that if you are a single Jeep and you come up on a convoy, the single Jeep pulls over and lets the convoy go by. It is easier for 6 Jeeps to go around 1, especially on a tight trail.

So here is the fun situation that I ran into today... I was leading a group of 7 Jeeps and other rigs up a trail. It started to rain, so everything was slick. I pulled my Jeep through a section of this wash to a stopping point, then went back to spot the girl behind me. As I was coming back to my Jeep I notice a person at a wider point of the trail, and they stopped so I thought they had common sense. There was plenty of room for everyone to get around this Jeep where they were and they could see our whole group from the higher vantage point. So I just go back to help spot some others through a rough area and when I get back this db is now right in front of me and our group. I give them the WTF hand gesture because now we all have to drive around him at a narrow slopping section. And keep in mind that it is wet out and we are it a rock garden style wash.

Needless to say the guy just sits there and I start to go around him. I was doing great until the last part when I slid down the wet rock and our two back drivers side fenders flares hit. I got a light scratch and it popped his fender out of the clips. No big deal right... we are on the trail and a fender on a JK popped a couple clips out. No body damage what so ever. Nope this guy starts getting all mad because I hit him and starts demanding insurance information. Not only that but his little db buddy keeps on pointing out that the dealership license plate frame surround is broken, like it was some priceless family treasure.

It took everything that I had in me to keep my mouth shut after I told him that he should have stayed at the top where there was room for everyone to pass him safely. The only thing that we could think of was with the light raining this guy was in a hurry to get off the trail because it was topless and door less. I popped his fender flare back on the best that I could and gave him my info then I went on my way.

I just write it off as cosmetic trail damage, who cares I have desert pin stripping worse. But I am assuming that this guy is going to be a jerk about it. I personally have no problem helping him pull his flare off and ensuring that all of the clips are on and seated correctly, then re install it, but with his attitude I doubt that I will even do that. The only thing that the guy has is my first name and my cell phone number. I would also assume that they took a picture of my lic plate too, but who cares.

I told the guy that I was sorry, but honestly what else should I do. All cosmetic damage that occurred on a wet rocky trail that happened because the guy put himself in that situation. I am waiting to see if he is going to call me or just come to his senses.

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Cool story bro. 10/10. Will read again.
 

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Good thing you have witnesses. Hope the rest of the trail was DB free.
 

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Just realized what DB means. Sorry , it's late and took a minute but I like the Story even Better now. Lol
People like that should own a Prius.
 

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Someone needs to revoke that DBs man card.
 

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You hit this guy's jeep, and he's a db because he wants you to take care of it?
 

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No, he's a DB for not following trail rules then when it causes him an issue and a small one at that he gets bent!
 

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No, he's a DB for not following trail rules then when it causes him an issue and a small one at that he gets bent!
Where are these rules written? How many times has the "db" been out on the trail to learn the unwritten courtesies? Why did op choose to throw hands up at "db" and drive into him rather than speak politely to an obvious newb and come to a solution?
I don't know about where y'all are, but refusing to exchange insurance info after an accident can carry some pretty stiff penalties in some places
 

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Where are these rules written? How many times has the "db" been out on the trail to learn the unwritten courtesies? Why did op choose to throw hands up at "db" and drive into him rather than speak politely to an obvious newb and come to a solution?
I don't know about where y'all are, but refusing to exchange insurance info after an accident can carry some pretty stiff penalties in some places
Agreed. I've been out a few times and fortunately never been in this situation. I have plenty of common sense and I wasn't there at this encounter but the "right' thing isn't always obvious. I'm sure he didn't mean any harm by it.

But if some guy is throwing WTF hands at me and acting like a general asshole (because I can't see anyone but am asshole throwing WTF hands) and then hit my rig I'm.probably gonna take it personally.

Maybe he only created a scene because he thought you were an asshole OP?

Like they say there's 3 sides to every story: mine, yours, and the truth. Since your story paints you out to be an indignant asshole, I wonder what his story and the truth indicate?
 

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Where are these rules written?
The rules are pretty common, google "trail etiquette" and you'll find countless sites posting nearly the same set of guidelines. Jeep, ATV, bikes, you name it, similar rules. The passing on an incline is one of the most important pieces in the etiquette knowledge base, sadly new off-roaders don't take the time to learn first before hitting the trail. As one who's been an active ATV off-roader I've see this all to often. I laid into one guy who came down a narrow trail even though my son had already started up the hill. Resulted in him having to stop in a very bad spot and forced me to head up the hill to help him out nearly rolling our ATVs.


This is the basic rule of the Incline...
Passing on an Incline: Vehicles going uphill have the right-of-way. On steep inclines, the loss of climbing momentum might cause a loss of traction or an engine stall. The vehicle which is moving downhill should back up cautiously and pull over as soon as possible.

As for where, even Tread Lightly posts trail etiquette, it's not hard to find if new off-roaders will read before they jump in the drivers seat.
Tread Lightly – Sharing Our Trails: A Guide To Trail Etiquette
 

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It's not like I just drove into him. It was on a wet trail that had zero bypasses at this area. I actually was a good 2 feet away from him and slid down a wet rock sideways into him. I had already stopped forward movement and it just slipped down like it was in slow motion. Our two rear tires hit on the backside then the rear flares pushed against each other. For some odd reason the front of his flare popped out and mine did not. This is around the section of the trail where it happened




I threw out the idea that the guy was a newbee because he had the top and all doors off with 33's on. Not only that but the girl that was with them told someone in our group that they were making a video on how to offroad.

Either way I told the guy that I would help put the three clips back in and he has my number. There was zero body damage, just one light scratch across the rear side of both of our rear flares. Even if, and this is a big if one of the clips is broken, you are talking about clips that are $1.99 each. So under $10 worth of damage, and you are saying that I should exchange insurance information?

The kicker is when I slid down into him my front slid off the rock and mangled my steering stabilizer.
 

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how well do you know your insurance. chances are if a call was made about an offroading incident your are both in trouble and may have cancelled policies..... most don't look kindly on offroading
 

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$10 of damage isn't even reportable in the aspect of doing a full crash report, at least in Virginia, you have to meet an estimate of $1500 in damage. It is still good to give insurance info...you don't want him to claim a "hit and run." Plus, I'm assuming the trail is on private property? It's more annoying than anything and I don't think it will go farther than fixing that equipment.
 

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how well do you know your insurance. chances are if a call was made about an offroading incident your are both in trouble and may have cancelled policies..... most don't look kindly on offroading
haha, short of rolling mine I would not call the insurance company. Every piece of trail damage is an excuse to upgrade something.


I actually tried to take a picture of the damage on mine and you cannot even see it in a picture. Either the flash washes it out, or it does not even show up. I could inflict the same damage with a scotchbrite pad.

My whole gripe was that the guy put himself into a bad situation and flipped out like I just put my bumper through his door. Jesus your on a wet trail, stuff is going to happen.
 

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If he was wheeling through that stuff and got pissy over a scratch he needs to park that thing in the garage. Its not if but when your gonna scratch your ride. I wouldn't have came down that hill until all of your group was up it, but if you had slid into me I would have seen that as an opportunity to upgrade my flares no biggie.
 

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I'm on te ops side with this one. If you don't know the rules you don't belong on the trail go back to the mall where you only have to worry about someone's door hitting your jeep. And the one who got hit would have no chance making a claim to insurance and couldn't file a hit an run. He could try but wouldn't happen no way. Hope he calls you back! The least you could do is explain the situation better to him and fix his poor flair if he is that upset about it :thumb:
 

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i know trail etiquette isn't exactly law, but if you imagine like they are the op is not at fault. if a person blows through a stop sign at an intersection where you aren't required to stop, if you hit them it's not your fault because they didn't obey the law. if he did want to get insurance companies involved he'd probably have to lie to them. they don't usually cover off road situations or race tracks and things of that nature. neither insurance company could prove the other driver is at fault because there is no actual law governing that situation even though we all know it wasn't the op's fault.
 

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Ha ha, I actually forgot all about this thread. The guy never called me back. I was going to get him a "hello kitty" plate frame too. I guess he figured out there was no real damage once he popped his flare back on.

After this though I will be a little bit more confrontational if someone is blocking the trail, make them try to back up over wet boulders!!
 

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Been wheeling for quite a while and I've never heard of the vehicle traveling up hill having the right of way. It is easier and safer to back down most obstacles then it is for a vehicle to back up one. Of course there are always exceptions and that's why we get out and survey the situation and discuss it with the oncoming jeep. Not going to comment on the rest of the story, just wanted to add on this one point.
 

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Been wheeling for quite a while and I've never heard of the vehicle traveling up hill having the right of way. It is easier and safer to back down most obstacles then it is for a vehicle to back up one. Of course there are always exceptions and that's why we get out and survey the situation and discuss it with the oncoming jeep. Not going to comment on the rest of the story, just wanted to add on this one point.
he never should have started down
 
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