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Looks like a nice Jeep, but if you're patience, you could find a 4.0 with full doors with lower mileage from a private party. If your not going to pay cash, I would get pre-approved for a loan and keep my eyes open for a good deal. Check Sun City for a Jeep owned by a retiree. I found my TJ Sport on Cars.com from a private owner. I didn't have much luck with Auto Trader of Craigslist. That dealership has several other Jeeps on Craigslist. Have you looked at those as well?
 

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I think the 4.0 TJs are designed to run at a pretty steady 210 degrees... if you like it, go for it...but having driven both the 2.4L and the 4.0L, I would personally try for a 4.0L. You won't regret it.
 

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I took a closer look at the lil Jeep:

I pulled off the timing belt inspection cover, and saw "Napa" in bright yellow painted on the belt. It's been replaced already, unless Jeep uses Napa belts, LOL.

The bottom is clean. The exhaust looks upgraded, muffler says "Dynomax".

It's got what I assume to be coil spacers on the front, those are Teraflex brand.

At this point, I really like this Jeep. Somebody spent a small fortune on upgrade that I can get for free. I think I will play dumb about the new belt and try to work a deal for a few hundred less. I have a paid off Hemi 2500 4x4 quad cab in the garage for when I feel like hearing a V8 with flowmasters.

If the dealer won't budge then I'll pass. Used Wranglers may be expensive, but they are plentiful. This dealer has at least a dozen.

KBB is $13k+
NADA is $12.5k

If I can swing $11.5k OTD then I think I'll pull the trigger.
 

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There are slower rigs out there. My good friend and ex-father in law still drives the Toyota 22r3 4x4 longbed he bought new in 1982. It's has 490k miles, has worn out it's second engine, and now has a 4runner tranny. Cold a/c, manual trans. He will never sell it and claims it's in his will with my name on it. Longbed with 31s. That rig is slow. Probably has less hp than 100hp. With a manual, 4cyl has always been adequate for a small 4x4.
 

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Letting the potential buyer take it over night is always a way to get some one hooked. It is a classic way for them to get you to buy a vehicle. Take a few steps away, breath, and clear your mind of the vehicle. Reevaluate.

It is the four cylinder, not that desirable. The Lime Green, AWESOME, but better to find that you will absolutely be happy with. Some of those budget lifts are crap any way.(If it is using spacers then it is just a less than $200 cheap budget lift.) Dynomax is quality, but just a minimally better than stock replacement.

Here is some perspective. I paid $10,600 OTD for my 2004 Wrangler TJ/LJ Unlimited with the six cylinder... In 2008. Clear title, just needed new tires.(Which would not make up the $4,000 book price difference.)
 

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I live in an area that inflates the price of 4x4's and wranglers are always high dollar here..what anyone else pays for their jeep is not relevant..

So..honestly, its all about what you think it is worth in the end, as you are the one who is going to be paying for it. So if you love the color, the ride, and the gas mileage and have already figured out an acceptable price in your head, then go for it...

IMHO, its a good deal
 

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The dealer (and I) settled at $10775 plus TTL.

I think it fits my needs perfectly. Frankly, it'll get used more as a postal Jeep than a 4x4, running errands around town. I'm not in a hurry. I work weekend nights. I'm the guy at the bar at noon on Tuesday, eating hotwings.

Anyway, here's the Jeeps stablemate:



I figure anything the little toad can't handle, the Dodge can. I love the truck, and a primary reason for getting the Jeep is to keep some miles off the Dodge. I'm getting buried in that Dodge truck. A proper man just can't roll in a CRV or RAV4... considered an Xterra or old 90's 4cyl 4Runner, but thought I could do better with a Jeep.


BTW, today I dropped the little Jeep from 6th to 5th and at 70mph on the freeway. It spun up to 85mph and was still pulling when traffic ahead of me slowed and I had to let off. It won't break 75mph in 6th.

FWIW, I typically roll at 55mph or 60mph on the freeway, so it's capable enough for me. Even with that monster 7,000lb Dodge 2500 4x4 rolling on E-rated 265/75/17s... I can get 18mpg highway cruising 55-60mph by virtue of it's 5-speed auto with 0.67-1 overdrive and 3.73 gears. She's doing 1500 RPM at 55mph, berely chugging. Around town I get about 11mpg, and average about 12.5 combined. You ultimately can't beat physics. Inertia applies to objects in motion and static. The Dodge has a lot of inertia to move from a stop, and there is no way around it.

The little toad Jeep should do much better than the Dodge in the city. It's got greatly lower fuel consumption at idle and far less inertia. I ran the Jeep down until the low fuel light chimed on, then put in three gallons of fuel and drove over 50 miles (some of it hard driving) before it chimed again (16-17ish mpg). It was as scientific as I could get on an overnight test drive. I've already topped the little Jeep off and I'll do a proper full-tank mileage test with a light foot now.

IMO, light foot is the best way to drive. My old Ram has 122,000 miles on the odometer. A set of E-rated tires lasts 70,000 miles. I've replaced the front brake pads once at 50k (when the ex-wife used to drive it), and after 70K more on the replacement OEM pads, they still have a lot of life left. I also had to replace the battery for the first time last year, and I put in a thermostat about 3 years ago. Other than regular maintenance, nothing has ever failed. It's never been to a mechanic. I'm guessing that since the engine rarely ever sees the + side of 2500 rpm, nothing really wears or gets too hot. Yeah, I drive that slow. My fiancee hardly believes I can drive fast enough to do my job. I don't know, I've got nothing to prove to any strangeron the road.

At any rate, a 4cyl Jeep may be desireable for some people. People who won't do extreme 4x4ing, with huge lifts and tires, don't need the extra power or want the additional fuel cosumption that comes with it. If the Jeep were to be my only vehicle, and I wanted to do extreme 4x4ing, and I didn't have a tow-rig to get it down the highway, then I'd be all over a 4.0 6-cyl. As it stands, I got a pretty well set-up little Jeep for $5K-6K less than a comparable I6 Jeep.

Back in the mid 90's, when I was a teenager and fuel was 95-cents/gallon, I owned nothing but huge lifted V-8 4x4s, a 1972 F-250 Camper Special, 1975 F-100 (fullsize) Ranger, 1979 Ford Bronco. I didn't care what mileage they got. The rumble from the exhaust is/was addicting. MY old Camper Special didn't need catalytic converters or an air-pump. Heck, I recall filling it up with regular gas, and worrying whether unleaded would hurt it's valve seats. I could rev it, and it would shoot flames out the exhaust on decel.

Gasoline will go back up to $4.00 per gallon (at least) in 2012. The annual cost difference between getting 20mpg and 13mpg will be about $1200/year or $100 per month. A handful of MPGs is a big factor.

Lastly, I LOVE I-6 engines. IMO, that's the perfect engine design for balance and performance. They naturally balance better than I-4s, and produce better torque than V6s. There is a reason why BMW uses I-6s. If they weren't as rare as hen's teeth, I'd have bought a 1993-1996 Bronco with the fuel injected 4.9L I-6 and a 5-speed manual OD transmission. I gave up on ever finding a clean one. Granted, they don't get great fuel economy, but that 300ci inline 6 was IMO the greatest gas truck engine ever fielded, with it's gear driven valve train (no belt or chain), they'll sometimes last 500,000 miles. BTW, F-350s, school buses, and dump trucks came from factories with that amazing little engine.

I suppose I've always been a fan of low HP 4-wheel vehicles. The I-4 engine is precisely what I wanted, and it performs better than I expected ta'boot. I'm not suffering.

Apologies for rambling and being scatter-brained.

Also, thank you for the advice. I read and weighed all responses, and each was relevant. However, we all have our own unique objectives/priorities/desires for our Wranglers.
 

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Sorry for trying to bash the four cylinder too much. :p The thing about the four cylinder is that it is a decent engine, but if you want a capable off road setup it will need low gearing that will make it suck for driving on the road. The I6 gets around that with its extra power available allowing for a less aggressive setup. Since you said you do not plan on doing much if anything at all to it then the four cylinder should work out for you.

$10,775 is a good price in the current environment for a 2003+ Wrangler. Their prices dropped like rocks in 2007 through 2008 due to the desirable new model effect. The prices started to come back up towards normal used retail in the past two years. This is because that new model effect has worn off and people just want a decent Wrangler from the past eight years.
 

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I've got a 4cyl, it has 155000 miles on it. In the 2 years I've had it, I've run all the High Mountain passes in CO. Has 4x4, 5 speed, 31x10.5. Paid about 4500 plus addon's like rear swingaway, winch,CB,Sirrius radio, tuffy console, pocket fender flares,new tires etc etc. It never ends, Just Empty Every Pocket seems to be true! Have fun,jj
 

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To clear this up, the 2.4L does not use a timing chain, it uses a timing belt. Timing chains rarely ever need to be replaced and will typically out last the engine itself. Timing belts are a whole different story.

I would never touch the 2.4L. If you really don't want to spend the extra or can't find a 4.0L at least look for an older model with the 2.5L which is an AMC engine like the 4.0L. I myself couldn't imagine anything other than the good 'ol 4.0L.

At any rate, a 4cyl Jeep may be desireable for some people. People who won't do extreme 4x4ing, with huge lifts and tires, don't need the extra power or want the additional fuel consumption that comes with it. If the Jeep were to be my only vehicle, and I wanted to do extreme 4x4ing, and I didn't have a tow-rig to get it down the highway, then I'd be all over a 4.0 6-cyl. As it stands, I got a pretty well set-up little Jeep for $5K-6K less than a comparable I6 Jeep.
The 4.0L is def. not for off road, when in 4-lo the engine is pretty irrelevant. A lawnmower engine could probably do the job. And also don't go around thinking the 4.0L is a gas hog compared the the 4 cyl, it's not. You'll get the same gas milage from either engine. The smaller engine theory might hold for smaller, more aerodynamic vehicles, but when you're talking about 4000lb boxes it just doesn't hold up.
 

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View attachment 86965 I've got a 4cyl, it has 155000 miles on it. In the 2 years I've had it, I've run all the High Mountain passes in CO. Has 4x4, 5 speed, 31x10.5. Paid about 4500 plus addon's like rear swingaway, winch,CB,Sirrius radio, tuffy console, pocket fender flares,new tires etc etc. It never ends, Just Empty Every Pocket seems to be true! Have fun,jj
What rims are those? Size?
 
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