I was just wondering how many people like myself actually bought their Rubicon to use it primarily off road. I am pretty impressed what the Rubicon is capable of in stock form--when compared to my 82 CJ. Though in it's stock form it can't go everywhere the CJ goes--- it will get you further then you think and with a lot more comfort. As a starting package I do not think there is a better toy you can buy. Hence my question ---about why buy a Rubicon--especially if you never get to see what it can do if you got the nads to put it there. It always makes me laugh a bit when I see a jeep cruising down the interstate at 75 miles an hour with street tires on it--kinda brings a tear to my eye.