Stupid question time: I guess I don't understand these 4xE's or whatever they're making now and how they work. I assumed it was like a Prius where the gas engine kicks in or brakes? to recharge the battery and you'd get a good 400 miles off that tiny tank of gas. Why is everyone saying the 4xE only goes 22-24 miles? There's no gas engine to charge it while it runs?

 

The $XE has 3 modes, hybrid, electric and e saver. In hybrid it runs the electric motor unless more power is needed and the gas engine kicks in. In electric it stays in electric mode unless very heavy demand is needed and in e saver mode it uses the gas motor to save battery life. The gas motor WILL NOT recharge the battery, but you can turn on max regen which adds mild brake force to put some juice back into the battery. You can go 22-24 miles on electric only, but you can go about 300+ miles combined (gas tank is 17.2), I average less than 20 mpg around town on gas and about 20 mpg on the highway (I have a heavy foot). Also, mine starts screaming about low fuel at 14 gallons....

 

If your feeling bad about your purchase?
Whatever you do don't watch the latest Trailrecon video of the manufacturing process.
No way these jeeps are worth that much. After seeing these clowns in their sit around the house basic pajamas I totally know why my jeep is always needing work. Brake booster steal squeals everytime i slam on my brakes in cold weather, but fixed everything else. Ha Ha, Good luck!

 

 

Hi - I just purchased a 2024 4xe Rubicon X and ami hoping I did not make a big mistake. I will be taking it out on long camping trips in the back country and I think I should have gotten the 3.6. There's all kinds of posts on the 4xe group on FB with people having their 4xe die on them and now I'm totally second-guessing my decision. Also, the highway MPG is not as good as I was hoping, getting around 19.4 MPG on ICE. Looking for reassurances that it's going to be a good car! TIA

Ya got to do the homework BEFORE laying down the $$$ commitment. I bought the 2022 Wrangler Willis Eco Diesel and so far, I'm happy although Jeep needs to come on with the HPFP replacement they promised 15 months ago.

 

I will be taking it out on long camping trips in the back country

Also, the highway MPG is not as good as I was hoping, getting around 19.4 MPG on ICE.

You're going camping so you got a jeep. Makes sense. Use it like a jeep.


Jeep does not currently offer a Prius, so you're going to live with the limitations of this jeep's electric. To maximize battery life, keep it charged between 55% - 75%. That means you're predominantly using ICE, and the electric is basically a novelty. Use it like a jeep.

 

Someone should say it: the era of being able to buy anything, and expecting it to work or be quickly fixable, is over. We're back to an era of buyer beware. All the wishful thinking in the world won't save some of the early adopters from having bad experiences.

 

Appears to be the case, since about 2019-2020 I would have to wait weeks for a dealer appointment. I had a car at the time well enough out of warranty, that I could easily go to the third party mechanic. Which I did when it was routine inspections/service/preventative maintenance.

I hear that experienced mechanics are becoming more and more rare, a lot of the older ones decided to retire during the pandemic.

 

Just curious, is there a technical reason the battery doesn’t charge while running the engine?

 

Yeah that part doesn't make sense to me ... explains why it has the plug-in port I was wondering about..

 

THis thread seems to indicate that you can enable this on the 4th page of the hybrid pages on the car: Engine not charging the main battery.

 

I do not line up for anything that is new; never. I always wait for the following model year so that all the kinks are worked out with the first model. As for anything electric, I will wait until Jeep comes up with a Hybrid version (if ever). A have friend that recently bought an all electric Ford Mustang, but only gets a maximum of 270ish miles per charge; waits for about 45mins to an hour for a full charge, 80% battery charge at least. Yikes.

 

I do not line up for anything that is new; never. I always wait for the following model year so that all the kinks are worked out with the first model. As for anything electric, I will wait until Jeep comes up with a Hybrid version (if ever). A have friend that recently bought an all electric Ford Mustang, but only gets a maximum of 270ish miles per charge; waits for about 45mins to an hour for a full charge, 80% battery charge at least. Yikes.

 

it's kind of come to that. you need wrench turners, and computer programers

You omitted legislators.

 

Create something entirely new, make it all electric,

The Magneto should meet that requirement, but I'm betting it's gonna end up being vaporware or a trailer only rig with a 75 mile 4 Low range; a $100,000 electric Go Cart only rich turds will buy.

 

You can charge the battery in esaver mode, go to the last page in the nav screen to enable. I added 7 miles of charge over a 50 mile drive. Seemed to cost about 1 mpg at 75 mph....

 

I have had my 2024 Sport S 4xE for about 3 weeks now, and have found E-Save mode (with the charge option) to be highly inefficient, given the description of the mode.
EDIT: That said, it does have its usage, but is IMO best for situational moments and nothing more.

It uses more gas and the battery is only pulling a small amount of power back when coasting and breaking, and having Max Regen on seems to make little difference to increase the charge.

This past weekend, I decided to experiment a bit more (which is by no means an expert analysis):
-Hybrid will always get you the best MPG. Driving down to the shore, the MPG was reading around 42, and that is with your typical morning traffic heading down. Halfway, I did switch to E-Save mode (with the charge option) to regenerate the battery once I dipped below 50%, got it back to about 78% and then switching back to Hybrid for the final leg. Switching to E-Save did impact the displayed MPG, but it was a choice I felt was necessary, but could be entirely wrong.
-Arriving to my destination I was going to park at an EV slot, but because people suck, they had non-EV's parked there. Driving around for 45 minutes, I switched to Electric to save gas and finally parked, and charged up to 100% during my stay.
-On the way back, I once again drove in Hybrid and was once again sitting at around 45 MPG. However, the battery was dipping into the 30% range as I was within 20 minutes left of the drive. I am personally afraid to let the car go below 20% power and am terrified to deplete the battery, so I switched to E-Save for a few exits, and while the MPG did suffer, it gave me piece of mind.
-Sunday I reserve for running errands around town, and I went into Electric for the day (after charging up to 100%), and find this is my favorite mode to drive in when not going too far. Max Regen really didn't seem to make much of a difference to drawing more power to the battery, but I left it on as I truly find the one-foot driving to be a lot of fun, and a welcome change (this being my first PHEV).
-Today, on my way to work (12 mile drive, one way), I drove in using Hybrid and only lost about 6% battery life. However, depending on traffic (one highway can be brutal for a couple miles), I do switch into E-Save for stop and go moments. On my way home later, I plan on driving in Electric to see how efficient it is.

Basically to echo what I have seen on multiple forums, the 4xE is a hybrid through and through. People want to have their pudding, without eating their meat. And this simply is not the case. The car will always pull power from the ICE and the battery pack.

If anyone has any suggestions or no-no's for what I have shared, please let me know! It may also help others!

 

I deplete the battery every time I drive (almost always in hybrid mode). Haven't noticed any issues.

 

If ya don't mind sharing, what occurs when the battery is depleted?

 

I am in Oklahoma, a smallish state with under 5 million people... funny thing no one ever seems to address the elephant in the room so here goes:
If Oklahoma mandated everyone had to drive an electric car.. Our little state would need 28 more power plants just to keep up with new electrical grid demand. Not to mention all the thousands of acres of land and natural habitat for animals that will be lost to these new power plants.... Now the big picture is all those new power plants would be run on natural gas (we have a lot of natural gas in Oklahoma) So all these e-cars are over priced and cost money for consumers to increase fossil fuel dependency with more gas fired power plants, so people can feel good about themselves driving a vehicle that is no better for the environment then my 05 jeep TJ.... seems kinda stupid if you ask me, buy into the hype and feel good about driving an e-car while going deeper in debt and not helping the environment at all. I get 38 mpg in my 08 dodge caliber, that is paid for..

 

I am in Oklahoma, a smallish state with under 5 million people... funny thing no one ever seems to address the elephant in the room so here goes:
If Oklahoma mandated everyone had to drive an electric car.. Our little state would need 28 more power plants just to keep up with new electrical grid demand. Not to mention all the thousands of acres of land and natural habitat for animals that will be lost to these new power plants.... Now the big picture is all those new power plants would be run on natural gas (we have a lot of natural gas in Oklahoma) So all these e-cars are over priced and cost money for consumers to increase fossil fuel dependency with more gas fired power plants, so people can feel good about themselves driving a vehicle that is no better for the environment then my 05 jeep TJ.... seems kinda stupid if you ask me, buy into the hype and feel good about driving an e-car while going deeper in debt and not helping the environment at all. I get 38 mpg in my 08 dodge caliber, that is paid for..

I live just south of you in Ft. Worth, Texas and we are not a Smalish State, but we down here feel the same way. It's just a matter of time before all this e-car crap hits the fan.

 

I deplete the battery every time I drive (almost always in hybrid mode). Haven't noticed any issues.

Lithium batteries in general have the best long-term life when restricted to using the middle 60% of the battery. You may not notice anything immediately upon consuming the full battery, but it takes a little bit off the life every time.

That said, I don't know how Jeep programmed the 4xE and since in the marketing it specifies that there is always battery power available to assist the ICE even when showing 0% on the dash, I suspect they are reserving at least some percentage of the battery even when the dash says 0%. How much, don't know. Note that using the top 20% is less detrimental to the life than the bottom 20% and many other things have an impact too like winter/summer temperatures so the real world life can never be accurately known. Newer chemistries are also proving to have better life even when dipping into those edges of the battery as well.

 

Lithium batteries in general have the best long-term life when restricted to using the middle 60% of the battery. You may not notice anything immediately upon consuming the full battery, but it takes a little bit off the life every time.

That said, I don't know how Jeep programmed the 4xE and since in the marketing it specifies that there is always battery power available to assist the ICE even when showing 0% on the dash, I suspect they are reserving at least some percentage of the battery even when the dash says 0%. How much, don't know. Note that using the top 20% is less detrimental to the life than the bottom 20% and many other things have an impact too like winter/summer temperatures so the real world life can never be accurately known. Newer chemistries are also proving to have better life even when dipping into those edges of the battery as well.

And this is exactly why I am not keen on letting it dip into the 20% range. Even with preventive measures, we as a common consumer, cannot tell for certain how these things will shape up in the long run.

 

In fact the reason I bought the 4XE is not the gas mileage but the extra power. Its almost as fast as the 392 (less HP but the same amount of Torque) for much less.

 

Yep. You need that to get to the neighborhood mall.

 

Don't quit your day job for comedy. I like the ability to pass when needed and not be bogged down (like the slower V6 or Turbo 4 w/o electric motor)

 

Problem solved.

 

Hi -

I just purchased a 2024 4xe Rubicon X and ami hoping I did not make a big mistake.

I will be taking it out on long camping trips in the back country and I think I should have gotten the 3.6. There's all kinds of posts on the 4xe group on FB with people having their 4xe die on them and now I'm totally second-guessing my decision. Also, the highway MPG is not as good as I was hoping, getting around 19.4 MPG on ICE.

Looking for reassurances that it's going to be a good car!

TIA

Did you get the powerbox with your new 4xe? It should be great for camping!

 

Free generator and gas card with every EV sold. Solved

 

I ran across this in a 4Xe post regarding rear camera problems and recalls:

"Backing event" God I miss the '50s, the cars and mostly.......the people.

 

My wife loves the look of the big 35" spare on her JKU, but hates the lack of rearview, might need to add a camera that acts like a rearview mirror, I've seen some backup cameras with that option

 

I purchased a small round backup camera and the necessary cable to connect it to my radio display. I mounted it with quick disconnects in the middle of a plug that fills my trailer hitch opening. Works great and it's been on there since I bought the JK in '16. You radio will have to be programmed to use it, but that only takes a couple of minutes at the dealer. My total investment was less than $40 and I have a clear view night and day.

 

Obviously, you've never been stopped in a snowstorm where you have to run your heater / defroster on high while operating your windshield wipers just to see several feet in front of you for EXTENDED lengths of time. This puts extreme loads on your electric systems.

 

Been there, done that. 30 years in Alaska, 4 in northern Minnesota, and 8 in Montana. Thankfully I now have my Willys 4xe with a standard battery, a 17.3 kw battery, and a 270 hp engine that charges them both.

 

For those few who crave EVs (not just your Jeep but maybe as a second car) you should read this [essentially, it explains from an engineering standpoint that it isn't yet time, regarding battery technology, for people to adopt battery power], and you may ignore the "Queen's English" terms and spellings:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...icles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson?CMP=share_btn_link

 

When one works hard for ones earned money, then you should be entitled to purchase Electric, Hybrids, or gas powered. Hey, it is your money, so get what ever makes one happy. Then the question comes up, will one continue to be happy with it? I see electric vehicle catch on fire in the Summer time in the Phoenix area. Does anybody really want their Family riding around in one of them? I am not saying yes, or no, but rather just asking a question! Is our Infra-structure quantity ample for all of these hybrids and fully electric to be charged? What about the upfront cost of these electric powered vehicle, do you mind paying it? Where is the payback, how long does it take, or is there ever a payback? And are you comfortable that the Dealers really understand how to repair electric powered vehicles, including the Hybrids? How about parts availability? WHAT IS YOUR TRADE-IN VALUE GOING TO BE WORTH SOMEDAY?
I could continue on with these questions, but I think my point has been made.
But seriously, what ever you choose, I wish you luck with it, and that remorse doesn't play a part in it!

 

The whole thing is just a scam that eventually end with being able to shut down your vehicle remotely. With the hybrid at least you have gas a a backup.