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clanking/knocking and misfire after spark plug change

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6.1K views 18 replies 7 participants last post by  Digger84  
#1 ·
Installed new Champion 7034 plugs and there was an immediate loud metal on metal knock on start up followed by low level clanking, and within a few seconds it was misfiring. I inspected and reinstalled the plugs and it did the exact same thing on start-up; it did this twice in a row after installing the new plugs with identical failure characteristics. I verified the plug cable routing and confirmed the pistons are all still connected and moving freely when manual hand cranking. My insurance company’s OBD2 dongle is not reporting a fault code.

Last summer I had my first overheat and replaced the entire cooling system and many other wear-out items preemptively. I was thinking my next step would be to camera endoscope the spark plug holes to see if a piston is cracked. I was sure I made a mistake with the spark plugs until I inspected and confirmed the plugs are undamaged. I did not look closely for debris around the sparkplug before removing them, but I didn’t notice any interference hand fitting the sparkplug socket either. Also, the cables are new as of last year, but there is a small split in the insulator jacket end shroud. An electrical gremlin from the cable damage/shorting could be causing chaos in the timing, and what I’m hearing could be the valves knocking as the engine controller then tries to compensate the timing causing the misfire. I had the distributor tower one tooth off many years ago, and it seems like this could (hopefully) be a timing issue based on how the engine will start and run for 20-30 seconds and then start misfiring.

I'm the original owner the 2000 2.5l TJ with 183K, and I've done all the maintenance myself. I had everything fixed except for the rear transmission seal, which I was saving for the first clutch replacement. I was thinking I had ten more years of life in the Jeep until this, yikes.
 
#5 ·
Affirmative, I very carefully compared the length of the old plugs with the new ones thinking it could have been a manufacturing error. Everthing is identical between the old and new plugs, and the new plugs are undamaged. I'm trying to find plug cables now as that is the only other thing I touched during the plug replacement and the cables do have some visual damage.
 
#12 ·
Thanks, I'm going to try this. I dropped the old plugs from height into a metal can, but I retrieved them. The plug box was damaged and oreillys auto parts has agreed to take them back in the morning. I'll install new plugs tomorrow as the optimal next step.
 
#6 ·
If you had access to a scanner that does Live Data, You'll have a better chance to track down a misfire. Some Auto parts stores rent scanners but they want a Full Payment Security Deposit, Drivers Licences , and Your first born before you can take it with you o_O

Sometimes when pulling off a plug wire, you could accidentally pull the terminal away from the wire inside the plug boot. Seen this happen to the best of us over the years.
 
#7 ·
I would do as suggested by Digger…put the old ones back in and see if it goes back to normal. I have had a bad new plug a few times over the years.always very frustrating. If already chit canned, just go buy a new set. If the cable routing is confirmed, a bad plug is the only other possibility…from the info given.
Troy
 
#8 ·
Thanks for the reply guys. I replaced the spark plug cables and it can idle with some minor clanking, but I can't increase the RPMs very much without the engine shaking and misfiring with periodic metal on metal banging sounds. My new general grabber tires may have thrown a stone in the spark plug well and entered the plug hole during plug repacement, or the misfire from the damaged cable was enough to fracture the already cracked piston. Now the fun begins...
 
#10 ·
I got to spend some time on the phone with local Jeep dealer service dept, and they don't suspect a cracked piston or debris entering the plug hole during replacement. The engine controller will fix the misfire at higher RPMs when I let it idle, and then it idles like normal for several minutes. The dealer suspects a valvetrain issue, but this would suprise me since I used mobil one from day one. It seems like the next step is ordering a camera to inspect the cylinders; at least now I know the cylinder aren't washed down with unburnt fuel.
 
#13 ·
I would focus on the ignition wiring. It's not hard to get them reversed or slightly out of order even when you're focused on getting them back on in the correct position and order.

Your Champion 7034 plugs are correct for your engine so it's not them.

If you added antiseize to the plug threads, that can cause misfires etc. if it gets onto the electrodes since antiseize is conductive.
 
#15 ·
Thanks Jerry. I have the full OEM manual, and I've double checked the firing order cable routing several times (but not the last time). I've had problems with iridium plugs, but the Champion 7034 has been okay. I do use copper based antiseize very sparingly, but the antiseize type and application was the same as many previous plug changes. Also, I cleaned of all the plug threads at the previous change as part of troubleshooting a slight casting imperfection on cyl #3 that catches on my plug socket and makes seating the cable troublesome. I'm leaning towards defective/damaged plugs which would be a first for me.
 
#14 ·
Well make sure numbers on all plugs match numbers on the boxes

More common at Walmart with oil filters but seems some in the woke generation like to swap cheaper ones and more expensive ones into each other’s boxes to pay a cheaper price

Then you buy better one and find cheep one inside


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#17 ·
The root cause was confirmed to be defective Champion 7034 spark plugs I purchased from O'Reilly Auto Parts (5220 15th Ave NW, Seattle, WA 98107). The box had significant crushing damage, and I should have known not to install them.

This is a first for me, and the effects of faulty/damaged spark plugs were not what I would have expected. I don’t have the space or tools to pull the engine, so it was incredibly stressful to potentially see my beloved Wrangler die. I’m an avid mechanic, and I’ll try not to be a stranger; thanks for all your help.