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ECU/ECM Compatibility for 87 YJ 2.5L Manual

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Hey all. I've been sorting out an issue with starting and running. After tracking down and sorting through all of the pretty common stuff and stumping a mechanic, I think I've narrowed it down to the computer (by hitting it with a hammer of all things).

This week I was finally able to get the ECM out from under the dash. When I opened it up, it wasn't what I was expecting from all of my reading and research.
It's the Renix model in the (cast aluminum?) box. It's missing the longer sticker on it with the part number 8953005023, but still has the smaller sticker with number S100801103A.
Looking at it, it's really clean and no obvious signs of damage or burnt circuits. Obviously that doesn't mean too much, as there could be bad caps, or whatever, and I noticed what seems like dried water in one corner (a whiteish powder), but with all of the recent rain, the internals are bone dry. If there were a recent water leak, I would expect to find some moisture.

Anyways, enough with the background on this. What I'm looking to get information from you fine folks about, is ECM model number compatibility.

I've found and ordered a replacement ECU/ECM that looks the same, with an almost same part number. Like I said, my current model is S100801103A, and the replacement is labeled S100801103C. Are they a match, and what, if any are the differences. In doing a search on google, I've found limited results, with my main source of information being mentions of the "C" model being for wranglers, but nothing being said about the "A" model, or the differences between the two.

My jeep is an 87 TBI 2.5L 5 Speed Manual, and the replacement I've ordered is for a 2.5L Fuel Injected 2.5L 87-90. It's unclear to me if FI and TBI are synonymous for this engine in these model years.

For what it's worth, this model was manufactured in Canada and is California emissions certified.
 
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I would repair it...

Have a look here to identity bad caps and learn the history regarding capacitor issues.
Yeah. Repair isn't off the table, and a guy I work with who is way better with electronics at this level than I am, is willing to take on the task of soldering in new caps for me. Thanks for the link, but none of the caps on the board look like they are in bad shape or failed, though it's definitely not impossible for them to be bad.

My main concern right now, is compatibility/differences between computer models, since these are seemingly becoming more and more rare, and an engine swap is off the table for at least a couple of years.
 
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Using the parts catalog I was able to cross reference several of the part #’s, I’m still uncertain to what the last letter signifies.

S100801103C cross references with 53005023

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Thank you for that. Is that a chrysler parts catalog? (just curious)

So if I am looking at that correctly, it looks like the 6cyl auto transmission computer is the same as the 2.5L computer, and in the 4Cylinder is transmission agnostic (since transmission isn't specified on the 2.5L).

I was explaining the whole computer situation to my colleagues over lunch, and I had a thought that the last letter designation is maybe a revision ID. Does that seem like a safe assumption?
 
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#10 ·
Ahh. See, as the plot thickens. Here's what I found and purchased:

https://jeeprecyclers.com/product/j.../product/jeep-wrangler-yj-87-90-ecm-engine-computer-bendix-8953005023-2-5-4cyl/

Looking at your catalog page, that seems pretty likely that they are indeed the same computer, with the letter designation not seeming to being specific to model. I mean, at this stage in the game, I would have to guess that they are getting specific to model, based on the model they have been pulled from, and possibly the catalog you are referencing. I guess, fingers crossed that the one I have on the way is functional and compatible, though it seems all signs are pointing in that general direction.

I am very very verrrrrry curious about the letter designation though. What does it mean? (cue double rainbow)
 
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It could be as simple as Wrangler or Cherokee, or they could have different sensors, I can’t say.
I know we don't know each other, but if you're not working in stand up comedy, you've truly missed your calling! LMAO.


I will definitely keep posted once the new computer gets here. I'll be keeping tabs as well, so we can get answers to this letter question.
 
#13 ·
Here's a SWAG for you.
The numerical sequence (S100801103) is the original part number.
Then when the revised model came out they added the "A". ( S100801103A).
Then they fixed another glitch. The new part number became S100801103B.
And so on.

Remember, this was back in the 80s and computers were a developing technology. They weren't anywhere as sophisticated as they are today.
It's quite likely that the original programming had glitches that weren't discovered until the vehicles were in service.

Good Luck, L.M.
 
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That is some good info, and makes sense. Glad to see I was thinking along the proper lines. It also makes sense, considering the years and the part number not changing with the same engine. Upgrades are generally not a bad thing when it comes to computers. :)

So, to be clear though, in the 87-90 year range, when people say "Fuel Injected" is that synonymous with TBI, or was there direct fuel injection on that engine (2.5L) during those years? My gut says FI/TBI on this model (at least in relation to the computer) are the same, as the catalog IRQ showed doesn't specify a difference on the YJ for FI/TBI.

Cheers guys!
 
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So, just as an update for this thread, and reference. It seems that the ECU that I picked up is compatible. Mostly as evidenced by it not fixing my problem. Still the same symptoms as the original ECU, though banging on either one doesn't actually do anything anymore.

So, anyone coming across this thread with issues and wondering about compatibility... Well, you have your answer.
 
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So, just as an update for this thread, and reference. It seems that the ECU that I picked up is compatible. Mostly as evidenced by it not fixing my problem. Still the same symptoms as the original ECU, though banging on either one doesn't actually do anything anymore.

So, anyone coming across this thread with issues and wondering about compatibility... Well, you have your answer.
Hi,did you ever fix this issue with the ECU. I also have a 1989, 2.5 4cyl with a suspect Renix ECU.
 
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Kudos to you Cyberworm for being such a good sport!!!
 
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@gafmobile
If you hold your cursor over the avatar of the person you wish to communicate with, you can see the last time they were on the forum. In this case, cyberworm hasn't been on the forum since Sept, 2022.

Good Luck, L.M.
 
owns 1987 JEEP Wrangler
#20 ·
@gafmobile
If you hold your cursor over the avatar of the person you wish to communicate with, you can see the last time they were on the forum. In this case, cyberworm hasn't been on the forum since Sept, 2022.

Good Luck, L.M.
Thanks for that. Cool tool.
I've actually given up now and have arranged to drop it off at a PCB repair company near me that I didn't know existed until this week.

I've tried everything and almost become obsessive trying to figure out what the hell went wrong and I can't afford a $600 replacement ECU from the US so I'll try this avenue first and then make decision on the $600.

The troubles of owning one of these in the UK!