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Funny this was posted today; my oil cooler and oil filter housing started leaking after my last oil change halfway through December and diagnosed by my mechanic this Tuesday. I had no issues with either prior to that.

This was at approximately 190000KM.
 
I had my '14 in to the dealer for them to tear apart the dash and replace the HVAC gate motors. They informed me I had a read main seal leak, that it wasn't urgent but to keep an eye on it. That was at 100k or thereabouts. At 110k I started getting occasional codes about the oil pressure sensor.

I then had some oil smoking from underneath while climbing steep grades on trails. I figured the rear main seal leak had finally gotten to the point of needing to be done. Took her in to a transmission shop, as they do these more often, on every job, basically as they are dropping the trans out. The shop told me it wasn't the rear main seal but the oil cooler, which sits in the valley of the V, and the leak eventually rolls off the back, down past the rear main seal and onto the trans housing. The cooler is something the shop doesn't do.

So I gathered up my courage and took it on myself. There are a number of youtubes about it, and also changing spark plugs, and between them you get to see it all, as both jobs require pulling the upper manifold, which is the most troublesome - although simple - part of the job.

The Dorman was out of stock but I bought another aluminum unit off the A.

Long story short, the oil cooler was easy enough. The valley has pockets that were 3" deep full of oil and coolant. I extracted with a large syringe, then stuffed paper shop towels into each pocket. Did that a few times to soak it all up, hit the whole thing with brake cleaner (per the Chilton book) and soaked that up with shop towels again.

I didn't find any cracks, but the seals were mashed oddly flat in a few spots, so I presume that is what leaked. I'm happy to have changed it. It came with new sensors.

In the process, I discovered a previous "repair" had been done on one coil pack - it had no wiring connector and was spliced directly from the harness. I am guessing that the plastic connector broke, or was chewed on, and instead of replacing the connector, they chopped into the coil pack and spliced it all and then wrapped in tape.

I spliced in a new connector, then replaced the coil pack. While I was there, I replaced all the coil packs, and the spark plugs, since I didn't know whether/when they had been done (it was new to me at 90k). When I pulled the fuel rails I saw a modest amount of fouling on the injectors, so I did those as well. OEM through Mopar they wanted $250+ each, but I got Bosch parts for $50 each.

I was unable to effectively reach the PCV screws with any leverage at all, so I abandoned doing that at this time. I'll wait until it starts showing symptoms, then decide whether to try again myself or let a shop handle the "simple, 2 screw" job.

The extent of my previous engine work was replacing a carb on my lawn mower. If you are at all handy with tools it is doable.

The best tool I bought for the job was a topside creeper, which allowed me to have comfortable and safe access to the entire engine bay. If you have the space for it, worth every penny of the $250.
 
I didn't find any cracks, but the seals were mashed oddly flat in a few spots, so I presume that is what leaked.
Yes that is exactly what I found. The seals lost their elasticity and got completely flattened out flush with the bottom surface of the housing so they no longer had the ability to exert force against the block. This allowed the 40 PSI+ oil flowing through the gallery to force past the seal and leak into the valley. I have had the old housing with seals sitting on my bench now for a couple weeks, and the seals are still flattened out the same as they were as soon as I removed it. I thought they might slowly return back to somewhat of their original profile, but it has not happened. The seal that leaked on mine was on the large diameter oil gallery at the back of the housing, but there was absolutely nothing wrong with the housing itself that I could detect after 8 years and 122,000 miles.
 
Replaced my wife's at about 40,000 miles. Bad seal was the problem.
Good luck replacing the PCV valve, I struggled with hers for over an hour and the replacement that I bought is still sitting on my workbench :mad: I couldn't get it out even with the intake and filter housing off.
Mine is showing no signs of leaking at 65,000 miles but I do have a spare Dorman housing and new gaskets and seals ready to go!
 
I think it's the same set up, but my wife's old Journey (2012 with 3.6) now has 160K miles on it and not leaks. My JKU has 20K on it, no leaks.
 
2017 with 57000 I cant get it in shop to 2/16 so it could be a valve cover leak. Im not losing a lot of oil but it is losing some and have oil on the underside it has an extended warranty so I will know soon
 
Mine was in the 120k range. I lucked out and it blew just after retuning home from a ten hour drive (one way) arriving home from SMOOR. I was under my rig to inspect the damage I had done on the trip just before heading home, everything was dry. Just two days later the trans was covered in coolant. Thankfully the nearest parts store had a Dorman sitting there.
 
Discussion starter · #29 · (Edited)
Anyone have the provided Dorman oil cooler seals fail on them? The oil cooler seals not the housing seals.

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I would welcome an update after you have changed your PCV valve and how easy/ difficult it was based on your access method. Such an easy thing to replace, but a most difficult and frustrating component to access…in a JK at least.
Chris
I just finished up doing the Dorman filter housing, oil pressure sensor, and the PCV valve. The old valve wasn't too hard to get off. I struggled getting the new one on though. In particular lining up and getting the top bolt started. There's just barely enough space to get your hand in there from the top, but not enough room to do anything efficiently. The bottom bolt was easy. I was able to use a 1/4 ratchet on the top bolt once I got it started. On the bottom, I used the small ratchet tool that vanhalo mentioned. The inner fender needs to be removed to make things easier. Good luck.
 
I just finished up doing the Dorman filter housing, oil pressure sensor, and the PCV valve. The old valve wasn't too hard to get off. I struggled getting the new one on though. In particular lining up and getting the top bolt started. There's just barely enough space to get your hand in there from the top, but not enough room to do anything efficiently. The bottom bolt was easy. I was able to use a 1/4 ratchet on the top bolt once I got it started. On the bottom, I used the small ratchet tool that vanhalo mentioned. The inner fender needs to be removed to make things easier. Good luck.
Did you break any clips on the inner fender?
When I did mine, i did it by feel from the top…the Jedi method.
Found out that the force is not strong with me….at all!
It‘s a simple removal and install, but just horrible access.
Chris
 
Did you break any clips on the inner fender?
When I did mine, i did it by feel from the top…the Jedi method.
Found out that the force is not strong with me….at all!
It‘s a simple removal and install, but just horrible access.
Chris
I've got aluminum inner fenders, so no clips. This is the second valve i've replaced, as I helped a buddy do his a year or so ago. Like you said, it's a simple job, just frustrating due to the lack of space.
 
Did you break any clips on the inner fender?
When I did mine, i did it by feel from the top…the Jedi method.
Found out that the force is not strong with me….at all!
It‘s a simple removal and install, but just horrible access.
Chris
For removal of the inner fender liner purchase the Rexka fir tree pushpins and rivets for the JK fenders from Amazon for around $9/each for a 50 piece bag. They are made from high quality plastic, and basically equivalent to the OEM fasteners. I have had them installed for over 6 months without issue. The only difference with OEM that I have found is that the fir tree pushpins are about .020" smaller diameter and fit slightly more loose in the holes, but no rattling or other functional issues of the fenders.

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Anyone have the provided Dorman oil cooler seals fail on them? The oil cooler seals not the housing seals.

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Just curious as to your verdict on these Dorman units, in particular these O-rings which apparently aren't available as a separate SKU. I had my oil filter housing replaced a few months ago by a mechanic, and it's leaking again... I bought a Dorman unit, but now I'm freaked out that it won't resolve it. Are these O-Rings the weak point? What is your recommendation? You seem to have a great deal of knowledge in this area!

Thank you!
Neil
 
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Just curious as to your verdict on these Dorman units, in particular these O-rings which apparently aren't available as a separate SKU. I had my oil filter housing replaced a few months ago by a mechanic, and it's leaking again... I bought a Dorman unit, but now I'm freaked out that it won't resolve it. Are these O-Rings the weak point? What is your recommendation? You seem to have a great deal of knowledge in this area!

Thank you!
Neil
to be clear …he replaced with the OEM part correct? The new OEM part shouldn’t leak either….not for a while at least. My OEM has 50k on it and some folks never see it leak.

No one has reported an issue with the Dorman “oil cooler”
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seals that come with their aluminum housing.
It is the only option unless you want to pull the crushed orings off a new OEM oil cooler.

you should have been good to go with OEM part however…I would have used the Dorman part over OEM.
 
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Just curious as to your verdict on these Dorman units, in particular these O-rings which apparently aren't available as a separate SKU. I had my oil filter housing replaced a few months ago by a mechanic, and it's leaking again... I bought a Dorman unit, but now I'm freaked out that it won't resolve it. Are these O-Rings the weak point? What is your recommendation? You seem to have a great deal of knowledge in this area!

Thank you!
Neil
Welcome to the Forum!
 
to be clear …he replaced with the OEM part correct? The new OEM part shouldn’t leak either….not for a while at least. My OEM has 50k on it and some folks never see it leak.

No one has reported an issue with the Dorman “oil cooler” View attachment 4573407
seals that come with their aluminum housing.
It is the only option unless you want to pull the crushed orings off a new OEM oil cooler.

you should have been good to go with OEM part however…I would have used the Dorman part over OEM.

He did use the updated OEM replacement, yet it is leaking. I used UV dye to find the source. I have no idea what they did wrong, could be the O-rings? I ordered the newer dorman unit with the included cooler and new oem sensors, and new OEM O-rings as I've heard the Dorman seals are trash. It's been about 4 months, but only 1500 miles since they "repaired" it.

I appreciate the reply!
 
Discussion starter · #38 · (Edited)
He did use the updated OEM replacement, yet it is leaking. I used UV dye to find the source. I have no idea what they did wrong, could be the O-rings? I ordered the newer dorman unit with the included cooler and new oem sensors, and new OEM O-rings as I've heard the Dorman seals are trash. It's been about 4 months, but only 1500 miles since they "repaired" it.

I appreciate the reply!
where was the dye emanating from?

the bottom orings are what everyone talks about. They can be substituted with OEM or FelPro but the FelPro has 2 different models according to which year your Jeep is. Fel-Pro ES 73248 appears the be the correct part number for the Dorman housing.

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no one sells the rectangular seals that go on top of the housing.

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The life of the Jeep again so far at least :)
i went 140k miles with my 13 JKU never changed the oil filter housing, OCI's whenever the oil change reminder said so, so could be 6-8k miles
my current 18 JKU has 48k miles on the stock unmolested oil filter housing. still changing the oil when the reminder oil light says so.
You should add a "I haven't experienced any issues with.." in the options.
Should also have a multi choice option.

50k, 97k, 133k.
On a 2012.
And a second one at 73k on a neighbors 2014 Cherokee
 
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