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Just one person's experience with 4.88 gears ...

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Since I researched this for what seemed like an eternity, and found tons of helpful information... But sometimes hard too sift through .. I figured I would offer just some personal experience, as limited as it may be, on swapping out my factory 3.21 gears for 4.88 gears.

I'm not a mechanic, or an engineer, or a life long Jeep guy. I think I understand the basics. But I'm just a rookie. I know I love moderate/difficult trails here in New England, but also I want to enjoy around town too. Much of life is compromise, despite my (sometimes obsessive) pursuit of "the best". I was looking for a good compromise.

Once I decided to bump up my tires from 33" to 35", I knew that also meant new gears asap (especially with the heavy Toyo m/t). I would have lived with it on the streets. But off road it was much less fun. And my Jeep is all about fun.

I'm glad I researched and read and talked to people with lots of experience because I'm happy with the way things turned out. I landed on 4.88 because some good and smart people were saying 4.56 and other good and smart people were saying 4.88 and 5.13. I choose the middle, hoping it would be a good compromise.

It is noticeably better (as you'd expect) off the line, around town, hills, wind etc. On the highway, since I settle into the right lane at 65mph, sixth gear is comfy again, and I got 17.6 mpg last highway trip vs 18.6 on the same trip before (measured by Jeep dash ... Gasp!). Around town it seems to be around 17ish.

So, for anyone looking for one more data point for your decision ... Here's my story. I really like the way 4.88 worked out for me.

Next question ... Will I be happy with my TrueTrac in the back? We'll see how this year on and off road turns out ... and I'll let you know what I think.

One more thing ... I'm glad I found a good shop, with fair (regional) pricing and a good reputation. That seemed like the hardest part of the process.
 
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What are you driving? 2 or 4 dr ? Auto or manual ? I to went from toyo 33 A/T to toyo 35 R/T. I posted this on a different thread:

I have a 2015 JKU Rubicon hard rock and just re- geared from a 4:10 to 4:88. I did so after I added 2.5" lift, five 35x13.50x20 toyos r/t on 20x10" rims, changed out front and rear stock bumpers for steel Smitty built bumpers and winch. I live in flat land country (Florida) but this jeep is headed for the mountains of NC. Because of the added weight and driving up the mountains sometimes with four passengers I wanted to increase or at least keep up with original power.
I re-calibrated the jeep. I have an automatic and I can tell you When I run the jeep on the highway my transmission cycles through very smoothly. I'm running 3000 rpm at 75 mph. I checked My RPMs before I changed out the gears and compared after and they went up 100 RPMs. Lost about 1 mile per gallon.
On straight highway the jeep has a lot of get up and go but the real test will be climbing up the mountain to my house.
I discussed the 4:56 vs 4:88 with the guy who did the work (he has been converting/ working on jeeps for 20 years) and he recommended 4:56 if the jeep was staying on flat land but agreed with 4:88 for mountain driving.
Before I re-geared I had spoken to two others that went with a lift and 35s with 3:73 and both told me their jeeps became sluggish on straight highway driving.
I also am new at this and I hope this little bit of info can help.
 
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What are you driving? 2 or 4 dr ? Auto or manual ? I to went from toyo 33 A/T to toyo 35 R/T. I posted this on a different thread:

I have a 2015 JKU Rubicon hard rock and just re- geared from a 4:10 to 4:88. I did so after I added 2.5" lift, five 35x13.50x20 toyos r/t on 20x10" rims, changed out front and rear stock bumpers for steel Smitty built bumpers and winch. I live in flat land country (Florida) but this jeep is headed for the mountains of NC. Because of the added weight and driving up the mountains sometimes with four passengers I wanted to increase or at least keep up with original power.
I re-calibrated the jeep. I have an automatic and I can tell you When I run the jeep on the highway my transmission cycles through very smoothly. I'm running 3000 rpm at 75 mph. I checked My RPMs before I changed out the gears and compared after and they went up 100 RPMs. Lost about 1 mile per gallon.
On straight highway the jeep has a lot of get up and go but the real test will be climbing up the mountain to my house.
I discussed the 4:56 vs 4:88 with the guy who did the work (he has been converting/ working on jeeps for 20 years) and he recommended 4:56 if the jeep was staying on flat land but agreed with 4:88 for mountain driving.
Before I re-geared I had spoken to two others that went with a lift and 35s with 3:73 and both told me their jeeps became sluggish on straight highway driving.
I also am new at this and I hope this little bit of info can help.
Sounds like a manual. I don't think the autos have a sixth gear.
 
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I've had a truetrac in my rear axle and a lunchbox locker in the front for about three years. So far, not once has my rear axle not performed as well as the front. Even with all terrains, the truetrac bites and pulls me through just as the front axle with a locker. It's very durable and reliable and I don't get the popping from the front locker unloading on occasion. If I had to do it all over again, I probable would have gone with one in the front as well.
 
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I'm digging the good reports on the rear TrueTrac ... I'm hoping for the same. I know I'll need to learn to feather the brake some when I lift a tire. But I'll enjoy practicing! Time will tell ...
 
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2 door 3.6 auto . I went from 3:21 and 33s to 4:56 and 35s. I am very happy with the change.On the 850 mile trip to Jeep beach there were times when I felt that I might have went to low. Running 75-80 mph on the freeway it is really singing at 3k rpms.I dont even want to talk about mpg lol. There is not much of a difference in 4:56 and 4:88 but I was on the fence and I am glad I went with the 4:56. It is plenty low for trail use and still livable on the freeway.
Our JKU 3.6 auto has 3:73 and 35s and it seems just a touch to high on local roads and here in the hills but works great on the freeway.It will never see offroad as it is the Wifes DD/Mall crawler . Driving the two of them I feel 4:10 would be a perfect DD ratio for 35s and 4:56 is leaning more towards trail rig and I would assume 4:88 even more so. If you are planning to tow then you could go up one ratio and probably work better.If you have the 3.8 then you should be looking at even lower ratios.
 
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I do that all the time ☺
 
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Spent all day out in some pretty varied stuff yesterday. HUGE difference off road. I worked though some pretty gnarly, wet, steep rock climbs too. The guy behind me, knowing he was watching trutracs and not lockers, was very surprised at how well my rig climbed all day. I was too ☺ ...

I may eventually put an Aussie in the front, or another trutrac ... But for now, I'm pretty well set for the kind of wheeling we do.

I should mention that I aired down further too, to 11 psi ... I think that helped my toyo m/t grab and stick much better. I was at 14 before.

So ... Gears from 3.21 to 4.88 ... Open front/rear to trutrac rear ... 14 psi to 11 psi. Those 3 changes combined to make off road way more fun.

Next weekend will be another good experiment too, because I'll be out with locked rigs on some blacks. We'll see.
 
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Spent all day out in some pretty varied stuff yesterday. HUGE difference off road. I worked though some pretty gnarly, wet, steep rock climbs too. The guy behind me, knowing he was watching trutracs and not lockers, was very surprised at how well my rig climbed all day. I was too ☺ ... I may eventually put an Aussie in the front, or another trutrac ... But for now, I'm pretty well set for the kind of wheeling we do. I should mention that I aired down further too, to 11 psi ... I think that helped my toyo m/t grab and stick much better. I was at 14 before. So ... Gears from 3.21 to 4.88 ... Open front/rear to trutrac rear ... 14 psi to 11 psi. Those 3 changes combined to make off road way more fun. Next weekend will be another good experiment too, because I'll be out with locked rigs on some blacks. We'll see.
Good info. I'm in the planning stages and am looking to build similar to yours. I too was on the fence between 4.56 or 4.88. You don't feel the 4.88s are too low for on road?

For off road, does it allow you better control when climbing obstacles?

How is the Dana 30 holding up with the 35s?