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OAT coolant alternatives?

51K views 34 replies 17 participants last post by  RoadiJeff  
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Big NO to the "universal" OAT compatible coolants.

I just picked up a jug of Mopar full strength OAT from my local deal last week for $28, so your dealer is bending you over.

Some folks say the Dex is compatible but others say the formulations vary. It's really not worth the risk. Just go with Mopar and know it's correct.

Here's a Mopar pre-mix, $26 shipped to your door: https://www.ebay.com/itm/For-2013-2.../392128024719?epid=26024013833&hash=item5b4ca6d08f:g:KWYAAOSwLXNbpHxv:rk:4:pf:0
I live in Canada

The Zerex data sheet actually has the Chrysler MS12106 spec right on it

https://sharena21.springcm.com/Publ...18452/a43a8057-fe75-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/5a76d5fc-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1
 
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G-05

Hate to see Chrysler went away from G05. I have used Zerex G05 exclusively in my 05 CTD Dodge Ram. Its been perfect, use G-05, excellent coolant , zero issues.
So why have the american manufacturers went to 'dex-cool' ? I always saw horror stories on the Duramax message boards with their cooling systems and a lot of people blamed the dex-cool.

Interesting Toyota/Lexus uses the same coolant. I use to get Toyota coolant at the Car quest auto parts, they had great deals on it. I changed the Lexus IS-350 coolant myself, easy car to change it in. I like seeing that Toyota is very confident in what they use.
Chrysler should have done the same. I bet its some whacko 'EPA' mandate' saying you can't use G-05 anymore.
EPA should stay out of the automobile business. We would have a Hemi option for the Jeep Wrangler if the EPA was out of automobile business.
 
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If you did a complete flush of the system is there a better coolant to use other than the Mopar stuff?
 
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Probably not, because it is good, but from what I have been researching it is literally the same stuff as Zerex Dex-Cool with a purple dye. After running it for a year or two it even turns back to an orangey-pink color. The HOAT orange stuff in the older vehicles is Zerex G-05. This stuff is super confusing lol.
 
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I saw the Evans product on Jay Leno's channel. Not for me because I have a lifetime warranty, but also, you can't add water to it. So if you're out on the trail and blow a hose you can't just tape it up and add water. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Great for classic cars though.
 
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That's the stuff Jay uses. You can use water, just to get home. Then you have to purge and start all over.

Probably not good on the trail where you smashing stuff up, but on the road, you're much less likely to blow anything as it supposedly doesn't pressurize.
 
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That dealership is trying to rip you off. With the part number in front of you, call various Mopar dealerships and get a price from them. Every Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler and Ram dealership gets the same OAT coolant because all Mopar vehicles use it now. I paid about $20 at a Dodge dealership. You can also try on line. If you go to a dealership, just make sure you verify the that the part number is correct. Some dolts can't get it right even when you give them the correct part number. The last time I checked, the part number for 50/50 premix OAT was 68163849AB. Next time you're in the US, grab some at a Mopar dealer.
 
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Need coolant for 2014 JKU. Dealer wants $42 per gallon for the pre-mixed purple stuff :blackeye.

I found this chart here on Zerex's website:

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I also found this product that is Dex-Cool but says it will work on 2012+ Chrysler.

OEM Extended Life ORANGE I Antifreeze/Coolant - Anti-freeze, windshield wash, solvents, Global supplier of automotive liquids & household chemicals - Recochem Inc.


Is this stuff really just Dex-Cool with dye in it? I know mine looks awfully pink/orange now.
They have the OAT at Walmart for $12. Black gallon plastic container with yellow /red letterings.
Brand: PEAK
Final Charge
Global 50/50 Pre-diluted
Coolant Antifreeze
Nitrite Free
Extended Life
 
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I'm not a chemist, and I don't care what you "can" use: you can use ice cream for all I care. If it says it meets MS-12106, go fo it.

Mopar 1 gallon premixed 68163849AB list $19.45
Mopar 1 gallon concentrate 68163848AB list $25.70

If you're happy with another fluid and it says it meets MS-12106, be happy with it. If it doesn't say it meets that standard, are you a chemist?
 
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While the Zerex coolant claims it meets the spec (MS-12106) I find it interesting that it is a five year coolant and not a ten year coolant like the Mopar coolant is. The older Mopar HOAT coolant was a five year coolant as I recall, but the new stuff is ten year coolant.
We bought a jug of the Mopar stuff, it isn't the cheapest option but I know it is right.
 
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While the Zerex coolant claims it meets the spec (MS-12106) I find it interesting that it is a five year coolant and not a ten year coolant like the Mopar coolant is. The older Mopar HOAT coolant was a five year coolant as I recall, but the new stuff is ten year coolant.
We bought a jug of the Mopar stuff, it isn't the cheapest option but I know it is right.
;) One of the many reasons I suggest using the Mopar stuff.
 
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So eBay and Amazon ship. Weird
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but I look again. Top 2 not for sale the 19,$ they ship. I can’t understand some one can explain why mopar saying is not for sale. There is some to do to say not for sale maybe they want switch. Again to a different one. ??


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I noticed the ten year thing as well, but in my case it doesn't really matter. Most people are not going to leave it in there for ten years in the first place and chances are good you are going to have to replace something in the cooling system in that kind of time frame anyway (hence the starting of this thread in the first place).

Normally I am all over using OEM specified products, oils, etc. However I typically do research to determine what the OEM is, because they aren't making their own fluids. I just did a trans flush and used Mopar ATF because the dealer actually had a good price on it, and doing research at that time I found out that all ATF+4 is essentially exactly the same, there is one licensed additive pack that everyone is using. Also used OEM trans pan gasket and filter.

In this case it just bugs me to pay 2.5-3 times for the "same thing." It would be like using some crazy boutique oil for $15 a quart when you can use something else for $5 a quart and they both meet MS6395.
 
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The ten year rating has to do with the chemical make up of the coolant. If one coolant is rated for ten years service life and another coolant is rated for five years service life odds are they are not chemically the same.
If you are filling the system from scratch it won't matter. But if you are mixing the two it may matter.
Since I will rarely need to buy coolant I am not going to quibble about paying a little extra to use coolant that I know is right in a vehicle I paid near $40,000 for.
But I am the same way with oil, I would rather use a higher quality oil that I have to pay a little more for then using the cheapest oil I can find, as I tend to keep my vehicles for a very long time and I take care of them so they last a long time.
 
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After searching the Net.. here is what one lubricant mfg posted: Several sites stated that OAT and HOAT can be mixed without issues. What caused the "gel" ?? My GUESS is it should flush with a proper flush technique (powered) & flush chemicals.

  • OAT anti-freeze/OAT coolant
OAT stands for Organic Acid Technology.OAT anti-freeze contain ingredients such as 2-EHA, sebacate and other various organic acids. Unlike green anti-freeze, they generally do not contain silicates or phosphates. Usually, OAT-based coolants will be dyed a different colour to green anti-freeze. They must be changed once every five years or 150,000 miles.

  • HOAT anti-freeze/HOAT coolant
HOAT stands for Hybrid OAT. These antifreeze use organic acids but not 2-EHA and usually include silicates to provide protection for aluminium surfaces. HOAT anti-freezes are used by many European car manufacturers, although they are also used by American companies such as Chrysler and Ford. A HOAT coolant will need to be changed every five years or 150,000 miles.
In recent years, anti-freeze manufacturers have been creating universal antifreeze that can be used with all vehicle types. These extended-life coolants only differ in colour. Some may be orange while others may be dyed blue or purple.
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Mopar OAT is $22 on Amazon.

Mopar 68163849AB 10 Year/150,000 Mile Coolant 50/50 Premixed - Embittered
 
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