They seem to be a little secretive about the details, right? If you go to cars.com and build a Sport model, you will see the list of features for each option package. Here is my takeaway of the WWW vs the WW:
Power Heated Mirrors
Power Locks
Front 1-Touch Down Power Windows
Remote Keyless Entry
Security Alarm

All for just an extra $2100. 'Just'. For me, power locks and windows were essential coz I have small kids. Could give a rats about satellite (anyone want my subscription?).

 

I looked at a wheeler non-w version JKU. But I needed the PCG. Not knowing better I believed the salesman when he told me willys did not come with PCG. I ended up with the Sport S and bought take off rims/ tires and black grill. Didn't know what else I was missing
Oh ya, I'll take that xm radio subscription if that's even possible

 

Be very careful here. If you are looking at 2-door vs. 4-door it makes a huge difference. In other words, with 2-door you pay $2100 more for WW-W, but all you actually get for that is 1) AC and 2) the ability to add Power Convenience Group for $1200 or whatever it costs. But you don't get the PCG just because you buy a WW-W. And you can't add PCG to a WW.

In other words, if you don't need PCG, then buying a WW-W is a $900 mistake because you could buy WW and add AC for $1200, vs. buying WW-W for $2100 more and getting AC free.

Again, this is true on 2-doors. 4-door pricing is different, but iirc there's a similar Gotcha of some sort with 4-doors.

 

Nah man, I went to cars.com and compared the options on a 4 door. The $2100 was the difference between a Willys Wheeler and a Willys Wheeler W. The W is the PCG. AC is automatically included in all 4 doors.

 

Definitely go with Willys Wheeler W. It's so damn nice to have the power convenience group. I almost bought the Willys Wheeler but once I got in it and tried it out, I knew I had to have the W. But to answer your question, the only difference in the unlimited is that once has the power convenience group and the other doesn't.

 

I think that the Willys W also allows you to add options like side air bags.

 

OK, thanks guys!

The Power package would be nice, but isn't a necessity. I primarily want the Connectivity pack, AC, and an auto tranny, since this will be my daily driver and will spend a lot more time on the road than off. Looking at a 2-door.

 

I skipped the 2k Power package (and added AC, auto, prem soft top, and Alpine).

You will need to deal with the window roll knob and manually lock the doors - all good for my use. I actually like the smaller key without the buttons and just lock occasionally.

 

That's what I went with as well. I wanted manual everything, including the trans. Same color as well HB

 

Yeah I know about the manual windows. I would prefer manual everything, but with little kids I really need to be able to push a button so the missus can get in the other side with one little one, while I do the same on my side. Plus, wind the kids' windows up or down upon their command is kind of nice.

Oh yeah Brando, those salesmen don't know their products. The sales manager when I bought my Willys Wheeler W told me I had to pay extra for the diffs. I didn't pay it, I knew it was included. But in retribution I managed to get the max tow pkg for nix. They just don't know anything. Seems FCA wants a big cloud of confusion over their products and even the sales staff don't know which way is up.

 

I looked at and test drove both the Willys WW and the Willys W. I bought the Willys WW and have not looked back. But, I have kids...
The security of the Willys WW is a big piece of mind relief. Plus the ride was smoother in the Willys WW. They were both 4 door and should have the same suspension so I can not put my finger on it. Test drive both if you have the opportunity.

 

So I guess the bottom line is, the only reason to buy the Willys W in a 2-door is if you want the Power package added?

 

Absolutely the only reason. I'm staring at my 2014 WW sticker right now. Base price was 22,395. WW (23K) package was $3600. AC (only option) was 1195, and destination was 995, for a total of $28,185.

The same Jeep in a WW-W would have been 22,395 + $5700 (23W) and 995 for destination, for a total of $29,090 for the same vehicle. $895 more for the option of getting PCG, which I didn't exercise.

 

Oh man, if I do get a Willys (mainly been considering a Sport S so far, but the Willys has the nice rims/tires and a cool factor) than I'd probably have to get the Willys Wheeler W because the optional side airbags are crucial to me. I just need those for peace of mind, especially for my wife.

Man, getting screwed out of $900 for the option to add something that should be standard on all Wranglers.

 

i got a new ww and looked at a www and my ww 2dr has all the options except the touch screen radio(which i didn't want).my ww was 35k and the www was 37k and my practical side could not see spending 2k for a stereo that i wouldn't appreciate,,just saying imo.i ended up irishing the dealer down to 32,700 for the ww so i took it

 

Yeah, I know. But I'm set on the side airbags. Maybe I should just get the Sport S after all.

 

Most important reason to get the non-w version--- half-doors

 

I specifically ordered the WW with half doors! I know some like the hard top and full doors. But half door cruising in the summer is just great!

TFB

 

I want a Willys with PCG and AC. The only way I can do that is to pay $805 extra? IOW, if I ordered a K and added AC and PCG, it SHOULD be an extra $2890 (yes, basing on 2016 prices, which I realize are going to change). But I can't get the PCG with a K so I have to pay $2100 extra for AC and the ability to order the PCG?!? I've done a comparison by comparison on the window stickers and the AC is the only difference I see between the K and the W (and a slight difference in tire, but that can't be $805)

That's crazy

 

Yup. You are experiencing the same incredulity I experienced when I realized all of the above back in February of 2014 when I ordered my WW. I gladly skipped the PCG and have never regretted it for one minute.

 

Can you tell me what the "PCG" is? I assume a package, but what is included?
Thanks.

 

And just to be clear again, I think this is specific to the 2-door. At least in 14, there were certain things that came standard on the 4-door and maybe you didn't get ripped off the same way? I'm not remembering for sure.

At any rate, it's something to be aware of.

 

And just to be clear again, I think this is specific to the 2-door. At least in 14, there were certain things that came standard on the 4-door and maybe you didn't get ripped off the same way? I'm not remembering for sure.
At any rate, it's something to be aware of.

you observations on the ridiculously higher effective cost for WW-W on 2 door vs four door are exactly correct.

For the same price lots of the features on the WW-w are only "available" for more money, while included in WW-W on Unlimited. It is even crazier when you consider there are four locks and windows on U.

Given all the packages and ways to add features, I don't l blame FCA for most of the pricing irrationalities. if some irrationality exists on adding A/c or power windows or dual tops on certain trin levels or between JK and JKU, so be it. Forcing people to pay $200 or $300 or even $800 more for power windows, or leather, or a certain grill, than they might pay for that exact item on another trim is fine.

But forcing people to spent $1,200 for side impact instead of $500, which a willy's 2 door WW v WW-W pricing does, is not good. it is made even more inexcusable due to the terrible performance in side impact tests of 2 door JK's.

 

Just built a 2 door on Jeep's website in both trims.

WW: only added auto trans and A/C = $31,835
WW-w: only added auto trans because it comes with A/C = $32,640

That's an $800 up-charge just to be able to add the PCG or side air bags. I don't want power anything except steering so in reality a $495 option for airbags becomes $1300..

The question now is, whether right or wrong, is it worth it? This would be a second vehicle for me and would be ran topless and doorless for 90% of its mileage. How effective are the airbags when doorless?

 

That's an $800 up-charge just to be able to add the PCG or side air bags. I don't want power anything except steering so in reality a $495 option for airbags becomes $1300..

The question now is, whether right or wrong, is it worth it? This would be a second vehicle for me and would be ran topless and doorless for 90% of its mileage. How effective are the airbags when doorless?

That is what my calculations show as well. On the two door, If you had picked WW with or without A/C, but solely want to add airbags any willys is a mistake compared to going to Sport S equipped with all WW features. This is even including cost of buying top condition Rubicon cast off wheels because to that effective $1,300 price for airbags on WW to WW-W.
in terms of need/effectiveness, it is hard to find a vehicle with worse crash injury testing results for front seat passengers than the JK two door with no side bags. Rear passengers in JK and JKU have same moderate test results for side impact, but Front passengers on JK are very bad results compared to average vehcile and bad compared to JKU. This is especially true for trunk and thoracic injury where that side bag is designed to to deply

On doorless, the side bags are in the seat so they will still deploy with no doors. They maybe less effective with the doors off, but not zero effective and most people who do go doorless do not do it a majority of the time

 

Going back to the side impact topic...
With the added rubi rails on the WW, would those help in side impact?
I would probably add the ACE rock rails as well for the step and added protection.

I wonder if the combination of those would supplement the side impact negativity of the 2-door??

This could allow me to keep the factory build the bare minimum and not have to get the extras just to get side airbags..

thoughts??? Go...

 

Believe me I want to rationalize that too! But rails could help you against side impact in some situations -- and make as many situations worse than no rails at all. Keep in mind the less crumple your car undergoes, the more energy is transferred to you. Your car might look better after a a t-bone with the rails, but depending on a few things your or your front passenger's body would be worse off.

Look at the testing. Now does it mimic all side impacts? No. But it is definitely designed to simulate the average one. Intrusion is not what is causing the injuries so much as subjecting the dummy to the uncushioned kinetic forces.

And where are the dummies without side impact getting hurt? Not in the head so much as the chest, pelvis and thoracic region -- which is exactly what JK seat based side impact protects (side curtains are for the head.) It is very compelling given side impact torso injuries are the most elevated risk there is in 2door wrangler

On the good side I have lowered my estimate of net net cost of side airbags if you want a WW, from $1,300 to about $857 (vs $441 on a rubicon)

Lowering from apparent cost of $1300 to $857
1) Using invoice now, $5,696 for www + $441 airbags - ($1153 a/c + $3,827ww + 441 airbags) = $716. so using invoice pricing the price for an everything equal AC and airbag willys. That $716 plus $441 or $1,157 is the net pricing difference of ww with and without airbags at invoice,

2) I called my insurance and it will will go down by about $35 a year that is actually a lot and more than 28% discount on their personal injury protection rates for wrangler and over ten years($350 (say $300 at present value) . so that is 1,57-300=857 net net/ten years

As an aside what was really shocking was my insurance company is already offering even larger discounts (and not just personal injury protection rates, but collision and liability as well) on the new collision avoidance/mitigation tech like adaptive cruise control, automatic braking and blind spot monitoring. Usually they take more time to see a tech proven, they must already have serious data on that reducing injury and accidents.