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1991 yj bogging out, dying out, some backfire

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#1 ·
I bought a 91 yz off a buddy of mine and it seems to be running a little rough. I drove it home from his house just fine but he told me it needs a tune up. I went for a ride around the neighborhood last night and after about half a.mile it died out while in 2nd gear and didn't want to restart after that. After wiggling and checking all plug wires I eventually got it started and went straight home.

Today I replaced the fuel filter, changed the oil and filter and changed out the plugs with double platinums and new wires. It seems to be running a 'bit' better but it died again today down my street right after the test drive. It started back up so I chalked that up to maybe letting the fuel flow back through the system after the fuel filter change. I drove it to where I am at currently (about 5 miles) and it seemed to do good except I noticed:

2nd gear above all else seems to bog / lose power right around 3500 rpm. Once in a while I will hear a small backfire (kind of rare but happens). While testing the bog appears to he consistent at 3500 rpm in second gear - meaning I can usually reproduce the.problem at that point.

And ideas or suggestions of other things I can check? I don't exactly see any check engine lights or anything.

This is a 2.5l 5 speed btw. 110k miles.
 
#3 ·
I've got a new-to-me Jeep as well. I cleaned the throttle body today and blasted out what was likely 16yrs of crud. A throttle body gasket is only a couple of bucks. A good dousing with throttle body cleaner and a light brushing got it looking like new inside.

It can't hurt and it might make a world of difference.
 
#4 ·
runs rough after heating up

I have a similar problem. I replaced the cap and rotor along with ngk plugs and new wires. The 4 cylinder runs great when it is cold but after it warms up to normal temp it starts to idle rough. Does not die but drops down to about 600 rpm. If the idle is increased it seems better. When it is cold the idle is higher and runs smooth. Runs great under a load or driving hard through the gears. Is there some sort of valve that changes when the engine warms up? Should I just increase the idle so when the engine is warm it is closer to 1000 rpm? What is the normal rpm for a 1995 4 cylinder wrangler?
 
#7 ·
Here is a small update after driving it to work today (crossing my fingers not to break down). I noticed the (I think oil pressure) gauge jumping around. It seems to jump up to 80 and max out there for a while and then it will drop back down to 40 randomly and keep doing that.

Also when I am shifting through the gears at higher (2500 or so) RPMS I see a yellow light on the dash which is in the shape of a house! After I shift into the next gear the light will go out and sometimes come back on when the rpms get back up a bit in the next gear.
 
#9 ·
Here is a small update after driving it to work today (crossing my fingers not to break down). I noticed the (I think oil pressure) gauge jumping around. It seems to jump up to 80 and max out there for a while and then it will drop back down to 40 randomly and keep doing that.

Also when I am shifting through the gears at higher (2500 or so) RPMS I see a yellow light on the dash which is in the shape of a house! After I shift into the next gear the light will go out and sometimes come back on when the rpms get back up a bit in the next gear.
Normal oil pressure on my 4.0 is a little over 40psi while running down the road. It does drop off when the RPMs drop. I think that house light may be your shift indicator. Supposedly tells you when to shift... I have one but I ignore it and shift when the sound of the engine tells me to.

Your plugs could be the problem - Jeeps don't like special plugs. Look at this thread: Questions about Spark Plugs - JeepForum.com

Is your Jeep fuel injected? If so have you tested the fuel pressure?
 
#10 ·
Well it was having this issue before I changed the plugs. That was one of my main purposes of changing them. I have a new dist cap and rotor and also a new starter on the way (I know the started has nothing to do with this particular problem). As for fuel injected I doubt that it is but can't be 100% sure. It is a 1992 4 banger. I do know that the exhaust sounds like crap. Rattly raspy sounding. Did not see any obvious exhaust leaks when I was underneath it.

She sure is a good looking jeep though:
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#13 ·
ed0985587 said:
Well it was having this issue before I changed the plugs. That was one of my main purposes of changing them. I have a new dist cap and rotor and also a new starter on the way (I know the started has nothing to do with this particular problem). As for fuel injected I doubt that it is but can't be 100% sure. It is a 1992 4 banger. I do know that the exhaust sounds like crap. Rattly raspy sounding. Did not see any obvious exhaust leaks when I was underneath it.

She sure is a good looking jeep though:
According to the Chiltons manual (which you really ought to get a copy of) you have MFI (multipoint fuel injection).

I wouldn't replace anything else until you get those plugs changed. Sure it was doing it before you changed the plugs, but putting the wrong plugs in is just as bad as putting the bad ones back in. Replacing worn plugs with the wrong plugs ain't gonna fix a plug problem.
 
#15 ·
that light that looks like a house....its actually an arrow, its telling you to shift up a gear, it lights up at around 2100 rpm in my 93.....its there telling you when to shift for better gas mileage and to start driving like a grandma...

as far as the oil pressure goes...thats a lil high, mines never maxed out, it stays around 60 when i'm driving and 25-30 at idle.


also another thing i didn't notice anyone say, check the actual engine grounds to the frame, and the ground from the frame to the battery, these can corrode over time and you won't get as good of a spark due to this, it can also cause electronics in the vehicle to not work right as the alternator is grounded to the engine(which is grounded to the frame and battery)....might get a good charge, but it can fluctuate your volts as your driving...and not enough to notice on the gauge either, but enough to mess with the computers
 
#21 ·
Also my exhaust sounds like shit. It sounds almost like it would with an exhaust leak but I see no visible hole. However I can go underneath it and and grab the muffler and wiggle it around and it sounds and looks loose. Wonder of that has anything to do with it.

I tried to replace the gps sensor last night but the one I bought from oreillys crumbled in my hand while trying to install it. I couldn't even believe it. It was a bwd brand.
 
#22 ·
Update - I have replaced pretty much everything I can replace ignition-wise. The other day we replaced the ignition coil and put a new starter in it (starter was intermittently catching and needed replaced...Unrelated to the problem at hand). Every little thing I am doing is helping a bit but the problem still exists. Once I get the jeep running and warmed up for about 5-10 minutes it runs like a champ...no hesitation at all.

When I go out to start it from cold start it just tries to turn over but won't actually start unless I try for a while. Really leaning towards a fuel problem now. I need the tool to check my fuel pressure which I hear should be between 31-39 PSI. It's like once the fuel gets through the system it runs fine but from a cold start the fuel has subsided and it will not start at first. When I finally get it started the hesitation goes on for a few miles and after that it is gone. I am pushing towards fuel pump now but will have to check the fuel pressure first.
 
#24 ·
Figure id post this since a lot of these posts never have resolutions by the person having the problem and does no good to others....

Mine is fixed! (for now) ...the bad thing is I actually can't say what the root cause was. I'll note that I replaced the following:

Fuel filter
Oil filter and oil
Distributor cap and rotor
Plugs and wires
O2 sensor
Ran seafoam through the tank
Tested fuel pressure and it was a steady 35 or so psi.

Here's the story...my dad is a mechanic at American Airlines and has been helping me the past couple of days try to diagnose the problem (explaining to me how everything works in detail which I still don't FULLY understand lol). He came over today to test the fuel regulator and while trying to start the jeep to test it, it would not start at all. Just tried to start but no turnover. We checked the spark again:

Hooked a spare plug to a wire and grounded it to the frame (anywhere metal) try to start it and watch for spark.

We seen no spark..which is odd because I drove it to the store yesterday while it was still having hesitation / dying issues (i died on the way to the store).

We were about to call it quits for the day when he wiggled the wires around the distributor (plug / ignition wires and actual plugs that plug into those components) and made sure they were fully secure. Went to start it and it fired right up first try from cold start and went for a.drive and it drives perfectly. Maybe a short somewhere but if it was it's around the distributor somewhere. Still going strong. I'm happy!
 
#28 ·
Pull the codes and see what you get. I'm having a similar issue (With heavy bogging nearly to a stall and sometimes even stalling out and having to restart the car) and I got the codes and it was - 12 (ignore, means your battery has been unplugged in the last 50 years, haha), 33 (A/C issue... I have no A/C so yeah, duh, the relay is missing), 24 (TPS! Could be causing your issue as well), 17 (my thermostat is shot), 51 (o2 sensor! Could also be a cause for your problem), and lastly I got 41 (alternator field control circuit opened or shortened) [confused by the last one as the alternator charges up my battery just fine and all]. Good luck. I'll keep checking back here for ideas as to what may be happening with mine. I'm about to go check the grounds as people recommended here for you to try. Hope this helps.
 
#30 ·
Welcome to the Forum BMW1905,

The post you're responding to is from July 2011. It's always a good idea to check the date of the post.
I agree that what that poster sees is the upshift symbol.

Good Luck, L.M.
 
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