How much money actually goes into worthwhile programs vs. the cost of administration, salaries, benefits, state employee pensions for the inspections. Just wondering if a lot of this government stuff isn’t just funny accounting.

 

I would agree that some government stuff =funny accounting. As it has been laid out for the Missouri resident from what has been published by the St.Louis dispatch, it reads like they don't see it worthwhile anymore. Apparently it was initially going to be eliminated all together but the new regulations is what was agreed upon.

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I for one don't need the government looking over my shoulder all the time.
Thank God the idiots out here keep that crap on the coast.

 

It's just a tax that was repealed. If you want to tax something, call it a damn tax and vote on it. Don't invent some BS government regulation that exists outside of citizen's control. Government regulations exist uncontrolled. They could double the inspection fees at any time and there would be nothing anyone could do about it.

Funding highways and the Highway Patrol are legitimate good causes. They can, and should, reallocate funding currently going to other politician's pet projects and give it to the Highway Patrol... or vote for a new tax earmarked for the HP.

In any case, I doubt the inspections made the cars on the highway any safer.

 

Cars are a lot safer and pollute far less than when inspection laws were implemented. While there will always be exceptions, why have an inspection program if the vast majority of cars don't have issues? (or they find some BS issue) Most cars 10 years or newer don't need tuneups, have pretty much original equipment except for tires, brakes, and oil. Cars built in the 60s that hit 100,000 miles were generally considered to be on their last leg.

 

Inspection?

Don't have to fool with that in Indiana thank goodness. And no, we don't have a plethora of rolling time bombs on the road. Are there some? Yes, for sure but they are well in the minority.

We do have plenty of other ways we're taxed though.

 

They got rid of inspections in Connecticut a few years back. Just the emissions test every 2 years now.

The danger here isn't the vehicles, it's the clueless drivers.

 

Clueless drivers with a cellphone!

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No vehicle inspection in A.Z. Emissions in some counties. My Wrangler is registered in a county, that does not require emissions. None of that ethanol crap in our gasoline. This is also a county mandate.

We do have safety inspection stations for commercial vehicles.

 

And no emissions for motorcycles. Vehicles that are under 5 years old don't get emissions either.

No doors, no problem
No fenders, no problem,
No helmet, no problem
No covers on extra lights, no problem
No AC, serious problem

 

You could always take the monies you're saving now and donate it....to the police....

 

HAHA! Not the local PD!

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We haven’t had vehicle inspections here in Arkansas for quite awhile. I’m not sure how I feel about that either.

However, after reading some of these other threads about how intrusive and picayune some other states are and I’m thinking i might just be better off here.

 

The state of Indiana had inspections 40 years ago for a short time and after a few years it was discovered admin and other costs were many times higher than what could be taken in and it also had no effect whatsoever on the quality of vehicles being driven. Same thing was discovered with emissions testing. The whole thing is nothing more than a Black Tax no matter where you live.

 

if cops need more cashflow they should stop sitting in plain view eating donuts and actually do some traffic enforcement.

 

*yawn*

 

It doesn't hurt my feelings at all. They more than make up for it in property tax, don't you think?

Oh here's a good one. I leased a car for my wife in September last year in TX where we were living. Lease payment is $330 a month. Move to MO, and the lease payment goes up $27 per month. So $357 per month on a lease that I entered in another state. MO can do one as far as I'm concerned. Anyway, I changed my address for the lease back to TX so it hasn't gone up now. Be damned if I pay more tax on something that was a done deal 9 months ago.

 

Personally, I'm glad to see them go. The inspection stations don't make any money on doing the emissions testing, just ask them. I just had to have it done last week on my 2017 Wrangler that has 19,xxx miles. Talk about ridiculous. Now I wish they would get rid of the mandate to have 10% ethanol in our gas in St. Louis county. If I want to get pure premium with no ethanol for my tuned turbo vehicle, I have to drive 45 miles to a rural area.

As far as the HP losing money, I doubt if an ordinary citizen could actually find out what the total percentage of the inspection fee actually ends up in the HP coffers. My guess is not very much.

 

Every state should have a state inspection. There are a lot of stupid and lazy people that have to be told that their headlights have to work, you shouldn't have play in your ball joints, and your tires can't be bald.

In Virginia is only $20. The state is not making money on it but needs to done.

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Most states do just fine without inspections. So just keep that attitude in your nanny state.

 

PA now has the highest gas road tax, paid at the pumps, in the nation. We were "sold" this by emphasizing how dangerously decayed our bridges have become.


Now, they are telling us they need even more money to actually do any of the updates and repairs. For this, they proposing a miles-driven fee to be added to our yearly registration fees.


The real story is that there is a "secret" law that redirects all the additional gas road tax money we pay at the pumps, into the pockets of the State Police. That is why there isn't all that new cash available to actually fix the bridges and roads.


Bottom line, DON'T TRUST THEM.

 

I’m a civil engineer, PA civil design has higher factors of safety than any other state or national standards. These factors don’t make them safer, they make projects more expensive. Penndot is squeezing you.


Back to main topic, I think a 5 year and 50,000 mile inspection waiver is adequate. I don’t care for states with no inspection, mine included. Can’t go to the grocery store without seeing cars wth one functioning brake light...they never get pulled over. Not sure what the police does in my state, but it traffic stops for things that an inspection would cover.

 

Wish NY would do away with it, or make it every few years instead of every year. We are taxed on everything and frankly, would jump for joy if they took something away. That is unheard of. They like to get you use to it, new tax or higher prices, so it becomes the normal. Like our thruway tolls. that was supposed to be a temp thing but here we are, way past the exp date and still have to pay a toll to drive on the thruway. Now they are upgrading it to remove toll booth and just have the fast easy pass/camera system

 

Ours are every 2 years until this new law takes effect. Even production year gets inspected in the even year. Odd production in the odd year.

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I don't get about these guys that whine about the police. The cops just can't win. If they're writing tickets, they should be 'catching real criminals'. I used to be a cop and did my best to help people that needed it, and prosecute those that needed it.

 

We have a very unique situation here my friend. The Ferguson Effect has done more harm to our region than anyone (well I think some at the highest levels of our government knew exactly what would happen) could have imagined.

 

Sounds like Missouri is doing a good job in recovering from Democratic socialist programs of the past and getting back to being a RED state.


Socialism policies only sound good on paper but never tend to work in real life, yet some people continue to swallow up the lies.

 

Colorado was an early state that had no inspections. Simple rule was you get pulled over for blowing smoke or safety issues (gapping rust, lights, ect.) you got a ticket plain and simple.

In NH we do not do emissions, but we do 'safety'. For an older car that makes sense, but paying $45 every year on a newer vehicle with little to no wear makes no sense.

I have a neighbor who has a little electric smart car, looks more like an expensive golf cart with seat belts and lights. It is roadworthy and registered. He has to drive it to the shop every year for a $45 inspection to tell him his lights work and he has seatbelts becuase, of course, he has no ability to tell that himself. *boggle*

Now this year, NH stopped caring about check engine lights on anything 3/4 ton and larger. They don't even hook them to the computer. But yeah, still $45. /facepalm

 

Colorado was an early state that had no inspections. Simple rule was you get pulled over for blowing smoke or safety issues (gapping rust, lights, ect.) you got a ticket plain and simple.

And that's the way it should be. You do something wrong, you own the responsibility by getting fined and pay the fees. It should not be where if you do something wrong, then everybody else gets fined and pays the fees.

 

Hopefully this thread can stay on track and not wonder off into the political weeds. Whaddya say fellas?

 

Wanna Bet?

 

Could be worse. We could be in Europe, or Japan.

My father still has my mom's 20+ years old Renault Clio, it's great on gas and easy to park, more practical for doing errands than his Mercedes.
He can no longer drive it into Paris because of emissions regs, and will probably be forced to junk it in a year or two as it'll be undriveable anywhere in France.

Oh, and their safety inspection is more like an aircraft's. They actually test the shocks dynamically! Insane. And expensive.


As for Japan, there are almost no cars older than 6 years old there, as the inspection at 6 years basically expects a car to be in showroom condition. So most are traded in, to be resold in other Asian countries.

 

You nailed it - I was trying to imply that less than 4% of crashes are caused by negligent repairs, but I'm glad to have provided the assist to your points

 

This change is a good thing - keep the man’s hand out of your pocket, and BS regulations in the shredder.

 

First of all 82.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Care to guess where that figure comes from?

Secondly, anyone who thinks regulating the many because the of the few who are out of line is...........well there's no other word for it. They're an idiot.

As to the cops, around here since the first of the year DOT officers have ramped up actions focused on noncommercial private citizen drivers who tow trailers. It's been a long time coming in my book. I've seen too many pulling trailers with no lights, unsecured loads and other infractions that need to be stopped. I stopped for gas the other morning and had a DOT officer look my Jeep trailer and load over while I gassed up. He commended me on my overkill tie down methods and we had a brief discussion about the ramp up and how it's being both handled and accepted. Every few days for some time now I've been seeing something fall off someones trailer or things just rolling around waiting for the chance.

 

Seeing as though the current Governor of Missouri worked for the police, it would seem he has the police's best interest in mind and realizes these programs haven't worked.

in 1981 Parson returned to Hickory County to serve as a deputy. In 1983 he transferred to the Polk County Sheriff's Office. Mike Parson served 12 years as Polk County sheriff before being elected to the Missouri House of Representatives in 2004

Sounds like a pretty good Governor. Would you like to trade? You can take the one we have recently elected in Michigan that wants to raise our gas taxes again so they'll be the highest in the U.S. to repair roads where the taxes they already charged in the past didn't fix the roads because the money got transferred to something else, where we already have the #6 highest gas taxes in the U.S and the state of Ohio our next door neighbor has the 29th highest gas taxes with better roads.


Missouri is ranked 48th in gas taxes.