I would be interested in the back story to the Trail Dash voiding the power train warranty.

 

Answer to your question is probably not. The upper parts of the engine are probably interchangeable to a certain degree, but the bottom is different because of the front wheel drive vs a basic RWD (although it is 4WD) configuration. The one that is in the Charger/300 is probably a lot closer.

And what happened to your engine that the TrailDash voided the warranty? Is it only because the vehicle is used off road - what happened to "Trail Rated".

 

My wife has a 16 T&C with the 3.6... A quick look up shows the part numbers are the same for the engine block in both (my 14 and her 16).

Now we all know how the web can be with misinformation. You will need to do some home work on this.

I would think as long as you still have the original/blown engine, you could swap over things that are mounted differently.

It will be a few hrs., but I can get a few pix of the engine in the 16 T&C if ya want.

 

To make a long painful story short, my 2013 wrangler has been a miserable lemon since I bought it new. I had an overheating issue that the local dealership was unable to fix, then I took my jeep to a different dealership for cam timing codes, p0019 p0016 and it took 2 months for them to fix, including 2 attempted trips home involving me breaking down on the side of the road (once because they failed to connect a main coolant line to my engine... overheating it)

When I finally got it back from the dealer I noticed it was burning oil. The dealer asked me to do a consumption test before bringing it in, which I did. However working full time and having a work truck meant not driving my jeep much at all. When I took it in, they said they pulled the spark plugs which were caked with oil so I'd need a new engine, and this must've been caused by the TrailDash (which I'm dumb enough to have left in my jeep at the time?)

After asking why they didn't perform any diagnostic tests they agreed to do them if I left a deposit. $1000 later they pulled my engine, dismantled it and said it wouldn't be covered by warranty. (After which they notify me that my oil pump tensioner was in pieces in my oil pan, must have been abuse?)

I called and argued with Chrysler Canada who eventually said it wasn't the TrailDash, but I must have abused the jeep with offroading or taking on dirt / water and my warranty wouldn't be reinstated. After arguing with Chrysler for a month or more they allowed me to take my engine (returned to me on pallets) to another dealership for a second opinion.

I loaded up to the second dealership (2 hours from where I live) only to get there and unload everything to realize the first dealer didn't include my engine block. I make the trip back there for them to say it must have been misplaced behind a tire pile. Eventually make it back to the second shop who look at my engine and don't agree with the first diagnosis of water or dirt damage. Unfortunately my warranty was basically destroyed and chrysler will not do anything.

I look at options and find the CAMVAP process where you provide a case to an arbitrator and they make a decision. I plead my case, Chrysler stands by their side of "I must have abused it" The arbitrator orders a 3rd party inspector to look at my engine, who determines there was no evidence of water or dirt damage and that the overheating problem was the main issue for the engine breaking. The arbitrator still ruled in favor of chrysler assuming that I used my TrailDash to ignore / override factory safety options (Not possible) But now I can't appeal the decision or even fight it in court, so I'm sitting with a 2013 jeep with somewhere around 65,000 km on it, no engine or warranty.

 

Wow this is just horrible, but how the heck could the Trail dash even "cause" a power train issue, it has very little to do with an engine anyways, its not a tooner like some others out there, correct me if im wrong but all the trail dash does is let you view various things right? so how does reading data "destroy" an engine??? the oil pump failing is a mechanical issue that is induced by other means!!!:blackeye




Talk about a nightmare that maybe @JeepCares can help with (assuming FCA/Chrysler/Jeep still do care at all...)

 

This is how I was instructed to pick up my jeep last June after driving it to the shop in April.

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/05/01/510116-nickerson-technical/

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2017/05/01/nickerson-award-510116/

Some info if you're curious

 

Well, that sucks for ya


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I think you would be better off having a reliable mechanic rebuild your engine. Putting a used (non-rebuilt) engine in would just be asking for trouble. Did you think to ask why the used engine was removed from it's vehicle?

 

It's up to you, but I'm sure some members would appreciate it if you'd list the dealer, so we know who to avoid.

This whole thing sounds like they were looking for any excuse to not service the vehicle, or to bill you. Or possibly to bill both you and make a warranty claim, which I've seen in other industries.

I wouldn't post the name if you're still active in any kind of legal proceedings.

 

He did say it was in Canada. Of course the US warranty is not valid there and the Canadian warranty is not valid in the U.S. I think the photo gives us a clue unless there is more than one Campbell Jeep in Canada.

 

For sure, it's probably no coincidence he took the pic of his JK in pieces with that name prominently visible.

 

If you ever feel like kicking some ass at that dealership, I would be happy to drive up from NY and give you a hand.
What a bunch of f'ing dirtbags.
Dealerships today suck.
I worked as a service writer for a Jeep dealer in the '80's and was instructed buy the dealership owner to warranty all customers claims, find a way to make it work, period!!!

 

yes the 2011 - 2015 dodge caravan has the same engine as the wrangler. The pentastar was designed to be a universal engine. Make sure you get a engine 2014 or newer as the 2011-2013 had head problems.

 

Also check with AEV and Rubitrux, as they do a lot of engine swaps and maybe a direct plug n play.

 

time for a HEMI if it would happen to me

 

This is funny. I have the same engine in my 2007 and 99 van lol @ mini van engine.


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Yep the dealership in question is Campbell Chrysler in Fairview Alberta.


As much as I don't want to give any more money to Chrysler, the local dealer here offered me a longblock for my jeep @ $4200 instead of the close to $7000 price the have. They said it would come with a 3 year, 160,000km warranty, though my 100,000km warranty did jack shit for me, so maybe it's worth trying to afford that and not worry about making a van engine work.

As much as I would love to go to a v8 swap, being laid off of work while all of this has been happening has left me stretched thin, having to buy a car to drive just to look for work while my jeep sits and I make payments on it has been depressing to say the least.

 

I am so sorry to hear about all this ! If you were in the US - I'd suggest getting the jeep to one of the V8 Swap shops ( as was mentioned ). These guys have 3.6 powertrains laying around and would sell for the cheap - as well as do the install ! I hope it sorts out soon !

 

Here is the current state of my engine as a friend picked it up at the dealership for me.

 

I agree with another poster,, if you are going to spend that much money on a new engine,, go with a Hemi Swap

 

Hemi swap is about $10k on the lower end up to $20k for all new parts. That is a lot to swallow when the man is out of work and still paying on the 2013 Heep. Best of luck. Do you have one of those Jasper Engine shops around you? They are usually cheaper than specialty 4x4 shops and they can do the swap.

 

I don't think we have anything like that here, but a couple of my friends are jman mechanics, including one who worked his entire apprenticeship at a dodge dealer, that are more than willing to help out. It's just a matter of trying to find something affordable for me right now, and finding something I can put faith in.

Thanks Maddening! I wasn't aware of that site so I'll try that route too.

I'm also thinking about maybe some media exposure? maybe the squeeky wheel would get the grease?

 

OP: If that $4200 is installed and out the door and you can swing it, do it. It would be better if it is a crate engine, but even a Chrysler refurbished engine is a deal.

An engine from a salvage yard is a crap shoot. It may be great and it might have been on it's last legs, you just don't know. If you're lucky you would know the mileage on it, maybe. The yard would only know the mileage on the vehicle, not the engine. In most cases they would be the same, but there is no guarantee.

While you are at it, see if they will throw a new radiator in as well. That may have caused some of your overheating issue, unless you have already swapped the original out. If they won't, you might want to do it yourself, since with the engine out, it should be a simple job.

 

The $4200 is just for the engine itself, but I'm confident myself along with my licensed mechanic friends would do the work to put it in, so that wouldn't be so bad.

My rad was replaced during one of the many trips to the dealership, as well as fan, fan controller and various other parts of the cooling system, so I'll be keeping an eye on those when I finally get something going here.

 

https://www.rubitrux.com/jeep-wrangler-3-6l-pentastar-engine-used.html

Here you go, probably less than your legal fees..

 

This is just what the OP needs!

 

I know this post is a year old but just wanted to say that you can use a 3.6 out of a 2015 Caravan. Did one yesterday. You will need to use your old timing cover, water pump, thermostat housing and sump pan. Started on the Jeep yesterday at 9am and finished it at 6pm. I have tons of pictures. Got the engine from LKQ with 12K miles on it for $1200.

 

Hello Pentastar swap questions?




does the wire harness & computer for a 2012 work with the 2014 engine? I'm looking at a 5500 mile caravan engine to swap into my 2012. If you can forward pictures to me it would help. tomh100@aol.com

 

Yes the wiring harness plugs right in. Some of your harness off of your engine is a bit different. I just swapped out that part of the harness.

 

I know this is old but hoping you can tell me if it matters that the doner comes from an automatic caravan into and manual shift jeep. Read that not all Chrysler will take a pilot bearing?

 

I will do a write up on this in the next couple days.