IF you Know you are sticking with the same Exact tire - You could go either way 4 or 5.

IF there is the remotest possibility you will get a different set of tires in the future - Do a 5 tire rotation.

(Recommendation: Do Five(5)) AND IF it is someone else doing it, Hand them the diagram and say "This is How I want it done". That way it's the same rotation and nobody mucks it up with their own method thus F'ing up the whole purpose.

 

I couldn't agree more. A very very wise man (who I later thought died) once gave me the exact same advice. :drinks:

 

I do a 5, there is a member here who got 60k out of his KO2's doing that

 

I do this:

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I have this printed out in my glove box even though I do it myself.

 

I do a 5-tire rotation every 5,000 miles. They have slightly over 44,000 miles now and look like they could go another 44,000 before they need to be replaced. Dueler A/T factory original tires.

 

One of the advantages of the 5 tire rotation is you can do it at home. Even if you do not have a tool set, you can do it as the Jeep came with the required tools. That is probably why the dealer said most of their customers do the 4 tire rotation; most of the people doing the 5 tire rotation are doing it themselves. Since your set of tires will wear out faster doing the 4 tire rotation that would be another reason why the dealer likes the 4 tire rotation.
As mentioned, unless you know you will be getting another set of the exact same tires, and you go through tires fast enough that your spare won't be past its "use by" date when it happens. A spare isn't much good if it is dry rotting.

 

isn't this a pay me now or pay me later proposition?

5 is easier.. just use a service jack
4 is harder, you need a service jack and jack stands

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I always do mine at oil change.
I use three(3) floor jacks (two up front and one under the rear pumpkin)
I loosen all the lugs (slightly) then...
Jack er' up even so the oil drains nicely.
I start that draining and then while it is draining, I remove ALL Five(5) wheels and leave them in position.
I then take one at a time and "Clean" the inside of the wheel/inspect the tire and have a look at the brakes, lines etc.
Clean wheel moves to it's New home for the next few months.
Wash/Rinse/Repeat

Once all wheels are done and back on (Not yet torqued)

I finish up the oil.

Lower her until wheels are not able to trun and torque them.

Drop her and have a Beer.

 

I just started doing 5. Not sure if it will help or not, but I have never kept my tires very long. I do a rotation every 3K.

 

I think it's personal preference. Tires have a shelf life of about +/- 5yrs because rubber will start breaking down even if you don't use it, especially if it's exposed to the elements. You can extend it on the spare tire with a cover if all it's going to be is a spare, but I wouldn't make it a main tire after 5 years of age. Just the $.02 of someone who worked in a tire shop for a while.

 

Tires have a shelf life of about +/- 5yrs because rubber will start breaking down even if you don't use it, especially if it's exposed to the elements. You can extend it on the spare tire with a cover if all it's going to be is a spare, but I wouldn't make it a main tire after 5 years of age.

I do a 5 tire rotation because of this ^

 

How many miles you recommend btwn rotations? 3-5000 I'm at about 7000 without rotating?

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To me, a softer compound (mud tires) should probably get the 5k mi rotate and the harder compound (All-terrain) you could get away with 7-10k mi between rotations.

 

I was too cheap to replace the brand new tires when I purchased the Jeep. I could not wait for them to wear out. So I never rotated them. To my surprise, all 4 wore almost exactly the same amount.

 

I plan on using different tires, but I'm in no hurry. I'm doing a 5 tire rotation in hopes of getting the most life out of the OE Rubicon tires.

 

I have the toyo open country R/T. Still don't see much wear after the 7k or whatever. I think they still have the rubber tips still coming out the sides. Lol

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I don't think there is a right or wrong when it comes to your rotation, 5 tires will give you little extra miles out of the set, and will also keep the spare more or less at the same wearing rate in case you need to use it, but It's definitely cheaper to buy 4 tires, so this is totally up to you, i was doing a 5 tire rotation because i had all 5's, now i don't have a matching spare, so i'll be only doing a 4 tire rotation. Don't stress out on this anyways. just pick a pattern, and stick to it.

I could rotate them myself, but discount tires will do them for me, which is included in the price i'm paying for them to install my tires, so 4 or 5 tire rotation, i don't pay extra for the service, if i have AT tires, i'll have them rotated at every oil change, 8-9k miles in my case, with MT, i'll do them every 4-5k miles, and they'll also get re-balanced at the same time at no extra cost.

Have fun.

 

I don't think there is a right or wrong when it comes to your rotation, 5 tires will give you little extra miles out of the set, and will also keep the spare more or less at the same wearing rate in case you need to use it, but It's definitely cheaper to buy 4 tires, so this is totally up to you, i was doing a 5 tire rotation because i had all 5's, now i don't have a matching spare, so i'll be only doing a 4 tire rotation. Don't stress out on this anyways. just pick a pattern, and stick to it.

I could rotate them myself, but discount tires will do them for me, which is included in the price i'm paying for them to install my tires, so 4 or 5 tire rotation, i don't pay extra for the service, if i have AT tires, i'll have them rotated at every oil change, 8-9k miles in my case, with MT, i'll do them every 4-5k miles, and they'll also get re-balanced at the same time at no extra cost.

Have fun.

You could put em' on backwards or maybe put two on one and three on the other...... Depends on how much Beer you've drank/drunk prior to starting I suppose.
I forgot the lugs once, Man o man was Mom mad that time......

 

5 tires all the way

1) only "cheaper" if you trade vehicles often and need only one set of tires before you trade, but if you are like me and keep a vehicle until it literally falls apart or is totaled then it will be more expensive because you have a tire you paid for with zero miles that will deteriorate and be useless and need replaced. Yes you could use one of the "wore out" ones for "free" but do you want to rely on a questionable tire in a time of need?
2) as op stated are you going to keep the same exact tire on for life of vehicle, I would doubt it if you are a member here
3) super easy to do on your own, I'm not a mechanic and do my own. Can be done with oem jack and wrench but lots easier with a floor jack and a 110 volt impact (unless you own a decent air compressor then get an air impact), would recommend a torque wrench to be sure they are tightened to spec but probably millions of tires out there not installed with a torque wrench (mine are torqued to spec)
4) related to #3 above: more likely to notice tire & vehicle issues if you are changing and handling them yourself, "some" shops are not the best for looking for signs of problems until it's broke completely
5) another related to #3: tire shops have a bad habit of airing the tire up to pressure on door frame, but with oversize tires most don't run "sticker" pressure and run a lower pressure based off chalk tests.
6) as you stated longer overall tire life, more time to save money for next bigger tire size. 31's first then 33's then 35's and then prolly 37's tire envy....... We all have it to some extent

 

I did 4 every oil change

Now I have a nice brand new tires and four extremely noisy and poorly warn oem tires

Not getting the same tires thus that 5th tire is a expensive paperweight.... pretty hard selling just one when everyone knows how crappy they are

5 tire rotation next time

 

5. You're not saving any money by doing four since you are getting fewer miles from the set of tires. Your cost per mile is the same until you factor in the eventually useless spare. At that point the four wheel rotation becomes more expensive.

 

The shop where I bought my tires gives me free rotations every 5K miles. I told them I wanted 5-tire rotation the first time I went in for it. The guy there says to put the spare on the front because it is slightly larger than the others and will put less wear on the un-powered differential.

I figure you guys are the Pros From Dover, here. What say you? Is this guy giving me a load of balloon juice?

 

Interesting theory - there's definitely logic to it, but it seems to fly in the face of the recommendations for how to do 5 tire rotation for 4WD/RWD vs FWD.

 

Like the tires you have enough to go an extra 10,000 miles, do 5. Not sure do 4.

or

Like the tires and want better tread throughout, do 5 and can still sell before used up.

I really like the km2 tires I have, though not sure if I want the same in 40,000+ miles. So I prob get a cheap spare so I only have to wait to 40,000 miles to get fresh tires.

Most ideal, do 5 and sell when you want. Then get 5 fresh tires and do 5.

 

you paid for 5 tires, might as well use them all

 

I do 5. In fact just rotated mine today. Do it myself in the garage. I do mine every 3000 miles. Everyone says you get better tire wear and life doing it between 3-5k miles.

 

I'm going with 4. That way in a couple of years I will buy 3 new, put the best of the 4 as the spare and then use the new spare with the other 3 new tires. Then the following time I'll buy 5 new tires.

 

Clever. At least until you see another set of tires you like. Lol

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Thanks to all for the input. I went ahead with the 5, and they did the rotation posted by another user in this thread.

I like my MT's and figure I might as well get as much mileage out of them as possible.

 

I pulled mine at about 45,000 and I'd say they had (at least) another 10-15,000 left in them (of good tread - more to the bars).
Honestly, they were great tires IMO.

 

5 tire rotation here. I spent money on the spare so I use it.

 

5 tire rotation every 3000 miles with my 37s...

They've been running on my Jeep(s) since Dec of 2012, well over 50,000 miles.

 

5 tire rotation used to be the norm until they started putting the "donuts" in the trunks of cars. Then dealers thought it was fine to do 4 way on Jeeps (or anything else with a full size spare). Of course they didn't lower the price for one less tire but I've had some try and charge me more for putting the spare in the mix.