I think that you and jadmt are having a race, to see who has purchased the most vehicles..lol

 

Hahaha...normally I wouldn't have been looking, but between Vroom willing to give me $5,500 more than I paid originally, and the federal government offering a $7,500 tax credit, it is hard to pass up.

At the very least I owe it to myself to take a look. I don't really need to get rid of my Sahara.

 

With a complete straight face my local Jeep dealer says: "the price is $58,500 plus a $10,000 markup..."

 

Sounds like just then kind of guys that give car dealers the reputation of being class A, solid gold scumbags. $10K… unreal. Then again, gotta figure 20 years from now we will be seeing a documentary about the last brick and mortar car dealer. The world is changing. I look at Carvana and Vroom and think: once they’re more established and more and more people talk about positive experiences, that’s how deals will be done. No two hour visits to the dealer to BS about trading, fighting to get your keys back from the appraisal, etc. That model is dying fast….

 

But do they have white wheels?

 

I think I’d consider giving the 4xe a try. I told my wife she should consider one since her round trip to work is about 10 miles. She got Jeep fever after I got mine. Lol. The tax credit makes it reasonable.

 

Just test drove a fully-loaded Sahara 4Xe.

The Good:

1. It is very quiet. When you first start the motor, you don’t hear a thing. It is a bit disconcerting.
2. The powertrain comes with several modes, ranging from fully gas to fully electric. It even has a mode that allows you to save your battery charge for later. It is like 2 vehicles in 1 - it has a regular 2.0T + an electric motor.
3. Selec-Trac, LEDs and leather come standard.
4. It has quite a bit of grunt.

The Not so Good:

1. It rides stiff. Those f-ugly 20-inch wheels have to go.
2. The rear seat is raised about 2 inches, which you lose in headroom. You can still sit back there comfortably, though. You lose the ability to store anything under the rear seat; the batteries take up that space.
3. When you fold the seats down, there is about a 6 inch difference between the cargo floor and the folded seats. I wouldn’t be able to sleep in the Jeep any more.
4. When you floor it, the 2.0 has to spool before the turbo kicks in, resulting in significant turbo lag. The engine sounds quite rough compared to the V6, and you can even hear a turbo whistle.

If I were buying my first Wrangler, or owned a 2.0T, I’d probably go with a 4Xe. As it sits, though, I didn’t find enough improvement to make me want to trade in my 2018 Sahara.

 

I would think with the batteries it wouldn’t have much turbo lag?

 

Sorry the 4Xe didn't work out for you Aldo. For me it is a 392 or nothing. Have you checked out the diesel yet? I bought a new diesel truck this spring to take the towing heat off my Jeep and diesel is really great.

 

I see too many conflicting posts on EcoDiesel for my liking. For every owner that expresses his undying love for EcoDiesel, there appears to be another having problems with it.

I’m seeing sweeter deals on Gladiators. But I don’t know that I want to go back to a pickup. Wrangler is really the sweet spot for me in terms of size, practicality and maneuverability.

The more I look around, the more I realize I’m good with my Sahara V6 with 8-speed auto, Selec-Trac, LSD, Mopar lift and 35-inch Generals.

 

30 cents per kwh in So Cal. equals about 5 bucks a charge or 21-25 miles.No savings for me on that part.I would guess Washington has cheaper rates with hyro power.They are techy.Ive seen the videos,Brandon Haneline has some good ones on youtube.

 

And there’s the rub. Despite what some would like to believe, there are no free lunches or free power. While to OP could, conceivably, drive using zero gas, he will still pay something for electricity. And, with higher demand, driven by the push for electrification, those costs are very likely to increase. Also note that there are a lot of extra parts/components involved that a conventional ice vehicle doesn’t have. The gassers are also doing pretty well fuel wise-my 2.0 JL is always mid-20’s with a healthy dose of highway driving. The electrics are certainly interesting, however I’m not quite sure they’re ready for prime time given current technology limits, (batteries,etc). When the tech catches up they may be a great way to go. Gotta wonder where the power’s going to come from though-nobody wants a nuke or coal fired generation plant, yet they want more and more electricity…

 

Hi aldo,

Good timing! I just posted the below on the JL Wrangler forum as someone was asking about engine choices.

I hope this is useful;


These are our opinions, I hope no one takes offense to our criticisms of what choice they may have bought.

We bought a 4xe, but it had nothing, zero, zip, nada, to do with fuel economy. The mileage in town on battery driving is a bonus. We were seeking a FUN car. The fun factor was the ultimate goal. Plus, we already had a Level II Bosch charger from previous EV ownership.

For us, we test drove the following (all Unlimited Rubicons):

V-6 with manual.
V-6 with auto.
Turbo 4 e-torque with auto.
Diesel with auto.
4xe with auto.

V-6 w/ manual: Terrible clutch throw and feel. Engagement point is way at the end of a ridiculously long pedal throw, and for both my wife and I to operate the clutch, the seat position made the other pedals awkward to use and for her, the steering wheel was inches from her chest. She’s 5’2” and I’m 5’9”. Also, the clutch‘s friction zone was really narrow and difficult to modulate. Handling was fairly neutral.

V-6 with auto: Meh. The driving experience was ho-hum and power was adequate but uninspiring. Handling was fairly neutral.

Turbo-4 e-torque with auto: This was a really fun car!! The e-torque boosted nicely off the line and at about 2500-3000 RPM the engine really came to life with a very satisfying “whoooooose” turbo spool up. Lots of character, good handling feeling light on it’s feet and instantly our favorite. Really responsive and fun.

Diesel with auto: Gobs of instant power. A bit slow revving. Nose heavy. Loud. Between the the noise and the nose heavy handling it was not super fun to drive for us. I have a Diesel truck, and I really wanted this engine package to be our favorite, but it is not the right application in a Wrangler for us. I drove a Ram 1500 with the EcoDiesel and I loved it! In fact I’m trading my Ram 2500 Cummins in on a Ram 1500 EcoDiesel. So this was a surprise that neither of us really liked the engine in a Wrangler. Fun factor for us was not there. If you are a road warrior making frequent long trips or have a long commute, this is the killer app because it gets phenomenal fuel mileage and once going, produces good passing power.

4xe: Having owned two EV’s, driving in Hybrid Mode was very familiar. Like all EV’s, the 4xe was exciting to drive right away. Instant power off the line, then if you keep your foot in it, the engine takes over seemlessly and that wonderful turbo-4 takes off!! This is what we were looking for!! This is one of the most fun cars we have ever driven. The power is amazing, and everywhere. There is no place anywhere that the power unit does not produce prodigious power and torque. Between the e-torque, EV system, and turbo-4 this thing is a powerhouse.

Side bar: I owned an EV RAV4 produced by Toyota using Tesla running gear (for CA CAFE standards) and a 1st gen Nissan LEAF. What both of these cars (and a few Teslas I have driven) is their suspension is light years ahead of ICE (internal combustion engine) cars. The added weight of the batteries demand an upgraded suspension with regard to spring rates and damping control to provide save vehicle dynamics. The packaging of the batteries is critical for safe driving dynamics as well. The end result was these cars handle like go-carts with fantastic damping. IMO, most cars but sports cars lack quality damping control.

Back to the 4xe; because of the increased weight of the battery, the 4xe‘s suspension is the best of all the Wranglers we drove, and IMO the reason is why the EV’s I’ve owned and driven handle so much better than many ICE cars I mentioned above. The 4xe is the most neutral handling of all the Wrangler we drove, with superior suspension and handling. The spring rates and damping are fantastic. The week I bought it, I took it from northern VA to the Outter Banks to Asheville NC, Greenville TN, and tons of mountain country roads. I cannot believe how fun this Wrangler is on mountain roads!

Between the very powerful power unit, auto-stick, neutral balance and wonderful suspension this car is very enjoyable and FUN to drive. Is it a Porsche 911? Uh, yeah no, it’s not. But this Wrangler scoots n boogies. Pay attention to entry braking, transfer the weight carefully, turn in smoothly, and stomp on it exiting and this crazy Wrangler will surprise many BMW and Audi drivers. I know because I did.😁 That we didn’t get any tickets in the mountains was a combination of luck and Waze. Manual 5th seemed to work best in the typical Blue Ridge/Smokey Mountain roads. Plenty of rev range on top between corners and with the e-torque plenty of exiting power.

Because I’m such a lead-foot, in spite of pluggin in at night and using chargers whenever we can at work, restaurants etc. (we live in urban northern VA and there are chargers available) our life-time to date mileage is just over 21 mpg. But, when in town we get close to 30 miles of EV range as we know how to maximize battery mileage from our previous EV ownership. Driving an EV is a totally new experience that has a learning curve. I could get even better EV mileage out of a charge, but alas, I drive like a maniac a lot of the time.

Anyway, hope this helps anyone.

ALL of the Wranglers are fantastic cars, which is evidenced by their resale value, and you can’t go wrong with any choice. Ours was the 4xe and we are thrilled with it.

 

Hi aldo,

Good timing! I just posted the below on the JL Wrangler forum as someone was asking about engine choices.

I hope this is useful;


These are our opinions, I hope no one takes offense to our criticisms of what choice they may have bought.

We bought a 4xe, but it had nothing, zero, zip, nada, to do with fuel economy. The mileage in town on battery driving is a bonus. We were seeking a FUN car. The fun factor was the ultimate goal. Plus, we already had a Level II Bosch charger from previous EV ownership.

For us, we test drove the following (all Unlimited Rubicons):

V-6 with manual.
V-6 with auto.
Turbo 4 e-torque with auto.
Diesel with auto.
4xe with auto.

V-6 w/ manual: Terrible clutch throw and feel. Engagement point is way at the end of a ridiculously long pedal throw, and for both my wife and I to operate the clutch, the seat position made the other pedals awkward to use and for her, the steering wheel was inches from her chest. She’s 5’2” and I’m 5’9”. Also, the clutch‘s friction zone was really narrow and difficult to modulate. Handling was fairly neutral.

V-6 with auto: Meh. The driving experience was ho-hum and power was adequate but uninspiring. Handling was fairly neutral.

Turbo-4 e-torque with auto: This was a really fun car!! The e-torque boosted nicely off the line and at about 2500-3000 RPM the engine really came to life with a very satisfying “whoooooose” turbo spool up. Lots of character, good handling feeling light on it’s feet and instantly our favorite. Really responsive and fun.

Diesel with auto: Gobs of instant power. A bit slow revving. Nose heavy. Loud. Between the the noise and the nose heavy handling it was not super fun to drive for us. I have a Diesel truck, and I really wanted this engine package to be our favorite, but it is not the right application in a Wrangler for us. I drove a Ram 1500 with the EcoDiesel and I loved it! In fact I’m trading my Ram 2500 Cummins in on a Ram 1500 EcoDiesel. So this was a surprise that neither of us really liked the engine in a Wrangler. Fun factor for us was not there. If you are a road warrior making frequent long trips or have a long commute, this is the killer app because it gets phenomenal fuel mileage and once going, produces good passing power.

4xe: Having owned two EV’s, driving in Hybrid Mode was very familiar. Like all EV’s, the 4xe was exciting to drive right away. Instant power off the line, then if you keep your foot in it, the engine takes over seemlessly and that wonderful turbo-4 takes off!! This is what we were looking for!! This is one of the most fun cars we have ever driven. The power is amazing, and everywhere. There is no place anywhere that the power unit does not produce prodigious power and torque. Between the e-torque, EV system, and turbo-4 this thing is a powerhouse.

Side bar: I owned an EV RAV4 produced by Toyota using Tesla running gear (for CA CAFE standards) and a 1st gen Nissan LEAF. What both of these cars (and a few Teslas I have driven) is their suspension is light years ahead of ICE (internal combustion engine) cars. The added weight of the batteries demand an upgraded suspension with regard to spring rates and damping control to provide save vehicle dynamics. The packaging of the batteries is critical for safe driving dynamics as well. The end result was these cars handle like go-carts with fantastic damping. IMO, most cars but sports cars lack quality damping control.

Back to the 4xe; because of the increased weight of the battery, the 4xe‘s suspension is the best of all the Wranglers we drove, and IMO the reason is why the EV’s I’ve owned and driven handle so much better than many ICE cars I mentioned above. The 4xe is the most neutral handling of all the Wrangler we drove, with superior suspension and handling. The spring rates and damping are fantastic. The week I bought it, I took it from northern VA to the Outter Banks to Asheville NC, Greenville TN, and tons of mountain country roads. I cannot believe how fun this Wrangler is on mountain roads!

Between the very powerful power unit, auto-stick, neutral balance and wonderful suspension this car is very enjoyable and FUN to drive. Is it a Porsche 911? Uh, yeah no, it’s not. But this Wrangler scoots n boogies. Pay attention to entry braking, transfer the weight carefully, turn in smoothly, and stomp on it exiting and this crazy Wrangler will surprise many BMW and Audi drivers. I know because I did.😁 That we didn’t get any tickets in the mountains was a combination of luck and Waze. Manual 5th seemed to work best in the typical Blue Ridge/Smokey Mountain roads. Plenty of rev range on top between corners and with the e-torque plenty of exiting power.

Because I’m such a lead-foot, in spite of pluggin in at night and using chargers whenever we can at work, restaurants etc. (we live in urban northern VA and there are chargers available) our life-time to date mileage is just over 21 mpg. But, when in town we get close to 30 miles of EV range as we know how to maximize battery mileage from our previous EV ownership. Driving an EV is a totally new experience that has a learning curve. I could get even better EV mileage out of a charge, but alas, I drive like a maniac a lot of the time. View attachment 4514815

Anyway, hope this helps anyone.

ALL of the Wranglers are fantastic cars, which is evidenced by their resale value, and you can’t go wrong with any choice. Ours was the 4xe and we are thrilled with it.

Thank you for your thorough reply.

I guess I expect a Wrangler to drive like a Wrangler, not like a BMW, a Toyota or a Tesla. There’s something about the mushy Jeep ride and handling that feels compliant, capable and uniquely Jeep.

Where you find the V6 “meh”, I find it effortless and relaxed; where you find the 2.0T “fun”, I find it noisy and high-strung.

I don’t know if it was the low profile tires on the Sahara 4Xe, or the extra 600 lbs of weight in batteries, but it drove more like a modern-day Grand Cherokee. A lot of people love Grand Cherokees, but that’s not what I’m looking for in a Wrangler.

The reason I say I’d probably go with a 4Xe if this were my first Wrangler is precisely because my frame of reference would be quite different.

Then again, after driving Jeeps for 25 years, perhaps I’ve been brain damaged...

 

BTW, considering 4Xe’s low production numbers, how crazy the market is at the moment, the $7,500 tax credit, and how severe the shortage of Wranglers is out there, 4Xes seem relatively easy to come by from what I gathered.

The 4Xe buyer appears to be very specific. The dealer where I test drove the 4Xe got two originally: the first one sold right away; the second one has been sitting there while every other Wrangler sold out.

Not sure what that suggests about future resale values. It could very well be that the word hasn’t got out yet.

 

Auto News reports that Ford finally started shipping Broncos today!

Hopefully that helps stabilize Wrangler prices.

 

Bought a Rubicon 4xe in Feb. Received it in mid April… I’ve owned many 3/4 ton trucks so I was trying something new. This thing is awesome! I just keep it in hybrid mode. I’ve used probably a half a tank of gas in 800 miles. 99% of my driving is 25 miles per trip. So the range is perfect for me. I pay .10/kWh so I’m saving lots of money. Put in a home JuiceBox charger so it fully charges in 2-2.5hrs. I don’t really off-road, I have a really bad back, but I wouldn’t shy away if the opportunity presented itself. The 4x4 will be used in WI winters. Anyway I bought it for the 375hp & 470lb/ft torque, the Rubicon look and resale.
Really an amazing vehicle.

 

I drove the 4xe at the time I picked up my 2021 rubicon Eco diesel … I like the 4xe concept just having 2 integrated sources and only getting 21miles in electric mode was not enough for me , I was not there to buy the 4xe .
I am a EV guy and can’t wait for the full EV and hope they have Tank Mode like the new Rivian Truck coming out .
I went Eco diesel , not sure if Eco really applies , has the same stop / start stupid for a diesel just wares parts out .
I have a had 3 versions of the 3.0 and all were pretty good , my 1st gen 3.0 EGR cooler developed a coolant leak around 200k and just did a full delete and truck is still running .
I have high hopes for the 3rd gen eco diesel , can’t want for the full EV Jeep .
I would like the 7500 also since my Jeep says ECO and uses soybeans for power … LOL

 

You can shut off the start stop with a Taser Mini or SmartStopStart.

Smart Stop Start

Override or Disable Auto Stop or Engine Stop Start (ESS)

www.smartstopstart.com

 

I considered the Tazer , with the 2021 I get monthly reports from Mother Mopar no one seems to know how much info the Jeep reports back .
I picked up a extended warranty 8yrs 100k just in case the 3.0 is a problem , not doing to many mods , don’t want to give the dealer any excuse .
I bought my Jeep 200 miles away , all my local dealers are dicks and still shopping around for a dealer i like .
I will check out the smart start stop … thanks for the tip .

 

I had warranties on both my Jeeps with those products and my warranty guy said they are not an issue. Stuff like big tires, bad lifts, bad cold air intakes, etc. are the issue.

I hate ESS so much that the first thing I installed on the 2020 JLUR was the SmartStopStart. I also bought a truck this past spring when they were still reasonable and I have a similar tool sitting on my desk to install in the truck.

Did I say I had ESS. Just making sure.

 

I had warranties on both my Jeeps with those products and my warranty guy said they are not an issue. Stuff like big tires, bad lifts, bad cold air intakes, etc. are the issue.

I hate ESS so much that the first thing I installed on the 2020 JLUR was the SmartStopStart. I also bought a truck this past spring when they were still reasonable and I have a similar tool sitting on my desk to install in the truck.

Did I say I had ESS. Just making sure.

There is only one button to push and wala no more issues with start/stop. why not just use what was built in to take care of it instead of a 3rd party option? It becomes part of a routine real quick once done 2 or 3 times..

 

I've had the 4xE Rubicon for a bit now...other similar-ish cars I've owned, multiple 3.5L F150s, F250 6.7, JK Sahara w/full long-arm 37s and Ripple SC, Volvo XC90 I8 PHEV

Pro's:

- Perfect replacement for commuting with my bigger cars, in-fact I only wish it was a 2 door.

- Ride is very nice at lower speed w/the 17inch rims, its no 2020 F-150 but I find it to be sufficient, steering feedback is great and freeway tramlining is way less than I'm used to in a Jeep. Its about 800 lbs heavier than other Rubicon which makes it feel pretty planted.

- High speed driving 65< when you want to kick down to pass is no problem, and you could keep up with a HEMI conversion off the line

- I haven't gone real crawling with it yet, but I've done some light off-roading... its a pretty visceral experience to have a peddle with near perfect efficiency to the ground and no sound in the forest, its kinda oddly relaxing like fly fishing

- Love the electric blue accents

- Nice to have my 300 mile gas range on top of my "cool electric"

-$7500 tax credit

- It's not more expensive than other similar Jeep models... but it does force you to include some options that you may or may not want because I've seen no dealers that ordered the 4xe as base models. Spec to spec it's like $500 more than the same equipped Rubicon Eco-Diesel and $4,500 more than the base Pentastar V6.

- I'll probably only have to replace brake pads every 50,000 with electric engine brake regen

- Extended warranty companies don't treat this any different than a regular engine yet, so the $2500 cost felt like a steal.... I can only imagine the number of things that could break on this, so I purchased the 10 Year / 100,000 warranty

- I think it's a great Jeep, unlike the Gladiator which is an 'ehhh' crawler and an 'ehhh' pickup and a 'blahh' commuter... this is a great crawler and a great commuter, I'm very happy and I took care of the technology anxiety with a warranty

Con's:

- The torque isn't 'always' there, in order to take advantage of the 470 lbs torque you have to have electric available, so I find myself turning it to e-save when pulling a trailer and then flipping to hybrid to climb hills... so extra thinking involved.

- Again if you plan to drive anywhere to go offroading you have to turn-on e-save so you have battery to go crawling by the time you get to the mountains... probably why jeep is putting quick chargers in MOAB etc now

- I can't really tell how much the electric re-generation engine braking is helping me and its a weird feeling when coasting to a stop.

- Gotta plug it in every day and takes a full night to recharge, I did end up getting a quick charger installed and that helps if your coming and going from the house on the weekend etc. If you have a 220 in your RV/house or contemplating it make sure you put in a 50A and not a 30.

- I also have no idea what the resell of these will be, if my lithium phones have taught me anything... this battery will be shit in 3-4 years.... hence the warranty.

- Putting your foot into it at full torque while in hybrid mode you can literally see the battery % dropping in real time. The more stuff you use the lower the battery life in full electric mode, you can burn it up in like 10 miles with spirited driving and w/ the A/C and the stereo blasting... I find myself putting my foot in it every time I have extra battery life on the way home

- You can tell there is a lot going on here at low-RPM's on where the power is coming from vs how much foot you have in it, so if you want exactly the same throttle response every time you need to get a different full electric or the eco-diesel.

 

I've had the 4xE Rubicon for a bit now...other similar-ish cars I've owned, multiple 3.5L F150s, F250 6.7, JK Sahara w/full long-arm 37s and Ripple SC, Volvo XC90 I8 PHEV

Pro's:

- Perfect replacement for commuting with my bigger cars, in-fact I only wish it was a 2 door.

- Ride is very nice at lower speed w/the 17inch rims, its no 2020 F-150 but I find it to be sufficient, steering feedback is great and freeway tramlining is way less than I'm used to in a Jeep. Its about 800 lbs heavier than other Rubicon which makes it feel pretty planted.

- High speed driving 65< when you want to kick down to pass is no problem, and you could keep up with a HEMI conversion off the line

- I haven't gone real crawling with it yet, but I've done some light off-roading... its a pretty visceral experience to have a peddle with near perfect efficiency to the ground and no sound in the forest, its kinda oddly relaxing like fly fishing

- Love the electric blue accents

- Nice to have my 300 mile gas range on top of my "cool electric"

-$7500 tax credit

- It's not more expensive than other similar Jeep models... but it does force you to include some options that you may or may not want because I've seen no dealers that ordered the 4xe as base models. Spec to spec it's like $500 more than the same equipped Rubicon Eco-Diesel and $4,500 more than the base Pentastar V6.

- I'll probably only have to replace brake pads every 50,000 with electric engine brake regen

- Extended warranty companies don't treat this any different than a regular engine yet, so the $2500 cost felt like a steal.... I can only imagine the number of things that could break on this, so I purchased the 10 Year / 100,000 warranty

- I think it's a great Jeep, unlike the Gladiator which is an 'ehhh' crawler and an 'ehhh' pickup and a 'blahh' commuter... this is a great crawler and a great commuter, I'm very happy and I took care of the technology anxiety with a warranty

Con's:

- The torque isn't 'always' there, in order to take advantage of the 470 lbs torque you have to have electric available, so I find myself turning it to e-save when pulling a trailer and then flipping to hybrid to climb hills... so extra thinking involved.

- Again if you plan to drive anywhere to go offroading you have to turn-on e-save so you have battery to go crawling by the time you get to the mountains... probably why jeep is putting quick chargers in MOAB etc now

- I can't really tell how much the electric re-generation engine braking is helping me and its a weird feeling when coasting to a stop.

- Gotta plug it in every day and takes a full night to recharge, I did end up getting a quick charger installed and that helps if your coming and going from the house on the weekend etc. If you have a 220 in your RV/house or contemplating it make sure you put in a 50A and not a 30.

- I also have no idea what the resell of these will be, if my lithium phones have taught me anything... this battery will be shit in 3-4 years.... hence the warranty.

- Putting your foot into it at full torque while in hybrid mode you can literally see the battery % dropping in real time. The more stuff you use the lower the battery life in full electric mode, you can burn it up in like 10 miles with spirited driving and w/ the A/C and the stereo blasting... I find myself putting my foot in it every time I have extra battery life on the way home

- You can tell there is a lot going on here at low-RPM's on where the power is coming from vs how much foot you have in it, so if you want exactly the same throttle response every time you need to get a different full electric or the eco-diesel.

Welcome to the Forum, from Cave Creek AZ.
Nice Post..

 

I found a Sahara 4Xe exactly how I’d would spec it: color-matched hardtop, Cold Weather Group, Tow Group, Selec-Trac, LSD, proximity locks, forward camera, in Sarge Green with Saddle leather, sitting on a dealer lot within a one-day driving distance from me.

But I just can’t bring myself to pulling the trigger. My 2018 is barely broken in; it’s got a nice lift and 35-inch tires, and its been trouble-free. Best, it doesn’t have that big hump dividing the cargo floor from the folded rear seats.

Perhaps if my 4Xe test drive had gone better I would be closer to making the switch.

My Vroom offer expires tomorrow. But given where the chips are right now, I’m going to let the offer slide.

Hopefully, when JL’s mid-cycle redesign comes out in 2023, FCA’s hybrid powertrain technology will get better.

 

I was at my dealer yesterday, and they had a white 4xe with black leather on the show room floor. Good looking ride. I believe it was a Sahara. They show 3 4xe's on their site right now. A white Sahara ($58K), a billet silver Sahara ($62K), and a Hyrdro Blue Rubicon ($73K). I can completely understand why you'd have trouble walking away from your current Jeep. That's a gr3eat looking ride, and you have it set up perfectly with what you've done. I was in the same boat when I traded my JLUR, but I love this JTR.

 

Yeah. Them 4Xes seem to be selling well.

I saw on the Gladiator forums that Jeep was teasing with a JT 4Xe.

That giant battery under the rear seat is going to rob precious Gladiator cabin space.

 

Something tells me Aldo will not be happy until he is driving that 4Xe.

Sarge Green is a really cool color.

 

Something tells me Aldo will not be happy until he is driving that 4Xe.

Sarge Green is a really cool color.

Sarge is a great color.

No pressure Aldo........but the clock is ticking......

 

 

But that sucks, too

 

Just got my first EV last month. At lease with the small battery charging won’t be an issue. The upper ranges EV’s of 300 mile range are at pretty much the max of what you can charge overnight at home with today’s tech.

 

Heads up to anyone looking to buy a Jeep west of the Rockies:

I was referred to Peterson Jeep Dodge Ram near Boise, ID, with regards to doing a factory order on a 2021 JL, and a 2020 JT Mojave they have on the lot. I was super impressed with their upfront professionalism and attention to detail.

I sent them my build sheet from Jeep.com; within 48 hours they got back to me with a very detailed quote showing every item I requested, MSRP, their price, doc fees and deposit. To give you a flavor of their pricing, MSRP on the Sahara was $57,000; their price was $49,600! They did require that I register with Tread Lightly to get the qualifying discounts, which is no big deal.

I doubt they would offer similar discount on a 392, but I'd guess they would be pretty aggressive on everything else.

If you need a quote, contact Kent at:

Kent Shurtleff
Director of National Jeep Sales
Peterson Jeep
5801 East Gate Blvd Nampa, ID 83687
Cell: (208) 741-1289
kentsjeepsquad@gmail.com
kshurtleff@petersoncars.com

God knows there is a shortage of good Jeep dealers!

I decided to keep my Jeep, but I will give them first dibs when the time comes to replace it!

Good luck.

 

Sounds

Heads up to anyone looking to buy a Jeep west of the Rockies:

I was referred to Peterson Jeep Dodge Ram near Boise, ID, with regards to doing a factory order on a 2021 JL, and a 2020 JT Mojave they have on the lot. I was super impressed with their upfront professionalism and attention to detail.

I sent them my build sheet from Jeep.com; within 48 hours they got back to me with a very detailed quote showing every item I requested, MSRP, their price, doc fees and deposit. To give you a flavor of their pricing, MSRP on the Sahara was $57,000; their price was $49,600! They did require that I register with Tread Lightly to get the qualifying discounts, which is no big deal.

I doubt they would offer similar discount on a 392, but I'd guess they would be pretty aggressive on everything else.

If you need a quote, contact Kent at:

Kent Shurtleff
Director of National Jeep Sales
Peterson Jeep
5801 East Gate Blvd Nampa, ID 83687
Cell: (208) 741-1289
kentsjeepsquad@gmail.com
kshurtleff@petersoncars.com

God knows there is a shortage of good Jeep dealers!

I decided to keep my Jeep, but I will give them first dibs when the time comes to replace it!

Good luck.

That’s a great opportunity for a buy and drive.

Hit a bunch of National and state parks.

 

Hi all! I just got my 4XE this week and I love it! Yep-I ordered and paid MSRP (first time EVER). The dealer tried to get me to pay $1600 over sticker as they are selling them off the lot for more over the sticker than that but I was able to at least negotiate to MSRP. Ha

 

Ahem, pictures please. We don't believe what we can't see. We are Jeep pic junkies here.

And, by the way, congratulations on the new Jeep. The 4Xe looks really nice.