[TerryC6]

Maybe we can let Milestar answer that question because neither of us know for sure. What I do know for sure is that Milestar's description of both tires say the sidewall is the same construction.

I don't need Milestar's description. There are legal reasons a tire is designated NHS.

https://www.ustires.org/sites/default/files/TISB_7_USTMA.pdf

 

[boosthead]

Regardless though I have had good luck with my MT's, not the 02's and they are much quieter than my MTZ ever where. The tire is is also lighter than the competition by as much as 15lbs per tire. And consider that the Pat's save an average for at least $600 a set that's money I can put to other uses, like gas in my tank.

What are your impressions of the Patagonia MT's grip vs the MTZ?

 

[ericw.]

I don't need Milestar's description. There are legal reasons a tire is designated NHS.

https://www.ustires.org/sites/default/files/TISB_7_USTMA.pdf

There are literally thousands of possible reasons for a tire to be NHS. Drag radials are NHS but are rated for far higher heat and speed than any tire on the road.

A NHS tire for off-road application should be NHS for the purpose of being stronger and/or stickier (faster road wear) than their street tire, ...or at least as durable as the road version.

I think any reasonable person should agree that they wouldn't create an off-road only tire with a softer sidewall than a road tire.

 

[TerryC6]

What are your impressions of the Patagonia MT's grip vs the MTZ?

In the rocks they are better. But that could also just be the 37's talking, my MTZ's where 35's. In the snow (on road) not as good but then what MT is good. In the rain they are about the same with one exception, standing water. The Pat's hate it, so do I. They hydroplane pretty easily and can make for some tough driving. Luckily or unluckily we don't get much rain there.

 

[TerryC6]

There are literally thousands of possible reasons for a tire to be NHS. Drag radials are NHS but are rated for far higher heat and speed than any tire on the road.

A NHS tire for off-road application should be NHS for the purpose of being stronger and/or stickier (faster road wear) than their street tire, ...or at least as durable as the road version.

Drag radials may last 10-15,000 miles depending on the number of passes you make. They can be worn out very in a season if your at the track every Friday night during the season. A top fuel dragster only make 4 to 8 runs before the tire is useless. My autocross tires would last about a season at best, 12 days, not even 100 miles. Of course press tire with your thumb and leave a finger print, they are that soft.

But it is the heat cycles that kill these type of tires. My autocross tires still had thread but the heat cycles make them hard.

 

[Northridge4x4]

There doesn't seem to be much info available on the difference between the original and the MT02...

There are quite a few changes between the MT01 and the MT02.

The three big changes:

• Carcass
  • Better quality fibers.
  • Changed the angle of the plies and how they lay.
• Extra material under the tread area
  • Gives the tread blocks more stability.
• New compound
  • More silica - Helps cold and wet weather performance
  • That was all they could really tell me about the compound. The rest is formulation changes and that's like the Coca-Cola secret recipe.

Cosmetically, there few changes. Mostly to sidewall patterns and not in all the sizes.

The benefits noticed during testing:

• Better performance at a higher pressure. Testers were finding that if they were running 8psi on a certain trail, they could get the same performance or better at 10-12psi.
• Better tread performance on road in cold and wet conditions.
• Longer rotation intervals. Instead of 2500 to 3000 mile rotations, they're now seeing 4-7K miles rotations (depending on application).

Milestar says these changes are evolutionary, after seeing how their tires perform and talking with the people out there running them.

And as mentioned before, select Milestar tires are buy 4 get one FREE:

Milestar Patagonia M/T-02 Extreme Terrain Tire Package

Give your truck, Jeep or 4x4 a complete set of the newly enhanced Patagonia M/T-02s!

www.northridge4x4.com

 

[TerryC6]

....And as mentioned before, select Milestar tires are buy 4 get one FREE:....

To bad I don't need tires. Five 37's for for $1328, $265 a tire. And that is the real reason I am running Milestar.

 

[JRunner01]

To bad I don't need tires. Five 37's for for $1328, $265 a tire. And that is the real reason I am running Milestar.

Yea but then the 250.00 on top of that for the oversize fee 50.00 per tire and then local 75.00 tax, its not soo cheap anymore

I have a deal locally someone selling the non MT02 version for around 1k for 5 new (35 12.5 17) so thinking of jumping on that but really wanted to move up to the MT02 since they should be better in on road driving according to the above changes mentioned.

I currently have the mtz from mickey thompson and they have gone 40k and are on their end of life soon, maybe another 6k if I'm lucky. Out west these Milestars MTs are loved tires so was thinking of jumping in with them but not sure how they hold up in New England weather with ice and snow, especially with the first gen MT.

 

[ericw.]

Drag radials may last 10-15,000 miles depending on the number of passes you make. They can be worn out very in a season if your at the track every Friday night during the season. A top fuel dragster only make 4 to 8 runs before the tire is useless. My autocross tires would last about a season at best, 12 days, not even 100 miles. Of course press tire with your thumb and leave a finger print, they are that soft.

But it is the heat cycles that kill these type of tires. My autocross tires still had thread but the heat cycles make them hard.

Most street tires will last a lot less than 10-15k when subjected to that same abuse, with a higher risk of destruction. Street tires won't last a single race on a track because they can't handle the heat. You gotta compare apples to apples. Here's a popular top shelf street tire after a single track day.

Yea but then the 250.00 on top of that for the oversize fee 50.00 per tire and then local 75.00 tax, its not soo cheap anymore

I have a deal locally someone selling the non MT02 version for around 1k for 5 new (35 12.5 17) so thinking of jumping on that but really wanted to move up to the MT02 since they should be better in on road driving according to the above changes mentioned.

I currently have the mtz from mickey thompson and they have gone 40k and are on their end of life soon, maybe another 6k if I'm lucky. Out west these Milestars MTs are loved tires so was thinking of jumping in with them but not sure how they hold up in New England weather with ice and snow, especially with the first gen MT.

This is an option. I would consider it necessary on any MT if I lived somewhere that got a lot of snow.

Tire Siping | What is Tire Siping - Les Schwab

Siping is a process that involves adding thin slits to the surface of the tire to increase the number of biting edges in the tread.

www.lesschwab.com

 

[TerryC6]

Yea but then the 250.00 on top of that for the oversize fee 50.00 per tire and then local 75.00 tax, its not soo cheap anymore

I have a deal locally someone selling the non MT02 version for around 1k for 5 new (35 12.5 17) so thinking of jumping on that but really wanted to move up to the MT02 since they should be better in on road driving according to the above changes mentioned.

I currently have the mtz from mickey thompson and they have gone 40k and are on their end of life soon, maybe another 6k if I'm lucky. Out west these Milestars MTs are loved tires so was thinking of jumping in with them but not sure how they hold up in New England weather with ice and snow, especially with the first gen MT.

I think if I lived in your neck of the woods I would be running 2 sets of tires, one set for winter and one set for summer. I would opt for Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT3 which are studded and come in a 315/70R17.

 

[ericw.]

I think if I lived in your neck of the woods I would be running 2 sets of tires, one set for winter and one set for summer. I would opt for Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT3 which are studded and come in a 315/70R17.

Majority of Nokian tires come from Russia and can't be imported so there's a huge shortage at the moment.

 

[JRunner01]

This is an option. I would consider it necessary on any MT if I lived somewhere that got a lot of snow.

Tire Siping | What is Tire Siping - Les Schwab

Siping is a process that involves adding thin slits to the surface of the tire to increase the number of biting edges in the tread.

www.lesschwab.com

I've never been able to find any tire shops here in the area that do this. Only option is a do it yourself but wonder if that means it comes out as good as if it were done my a true tire shop or just a somewhat good attempt done as a diy.

 

[ericw.]

I've never been able to find any tire shops here in the area that do this. Only option is a do it yourself but wonder if that means it comes out as good as if it were done my a true tire shop or just a somewhat good attempt done as a diy.

Les Schwab does it with a machine which is why I linked them. I'm sure with enough time spent at Youtube University, you can achieve decent results. I'd just wait to mount the tires till the defrost and then at some point before next winter, find your way to one of their shops while you're traveling.

 

[rsmwrangler]

Well i just ordered 4 Pat MT02's today that'll run in the Jeep. Same size as my current KO2's in 315/70/17. The KO2's are E while the MT02's are D.
I have an MT01 in my truck designated as a spare, It's got 13/32's so it'll be do fine as a spare in the Jeep. I'll move my current KO2's to my truck as they have 10/32 left so plenty of meat left there, and the K02's in my truck are at 4/32 so the move comes handy just cause i was itched out to replace my Jeep tires after 2 years. I go from MT to AT and back every couple of years and the truck really needs another set of tires so win-win.

Hoping i won't be dissapointed by the new MT02's. Like i said in my OP I was extremelly dissapointed by the original MT's in my truck in the wear department. I sold them with only 12k miles and 13/32 left in them. (kept the best looking one as a spare).They were replaced by KO2's at the time.
I've been watching youtube videos and reading about the MT02 improvements on the wear side so for the price i said what that heck lets try them... I got them for $247 a pop, again trully hoping they won't suck as i wanted to try the Baja Boss MT but damn they're $420 each and the Copper STT pro best price was $378. all in the same 315/70/17 size. I should get them in my garage by Tuesday, maybe even quicker will see.

 

[rsmwrangler]

Got 3 out of 4 today. Damn it. 4th will show up tomorrow
2023-04-17_02-38-44 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

They weight 68 lbs per my bath scale so if i remember correctly my KO2's were 63lbs brand new
2023-04-17_02-38-55 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

and like the original MT's they have 3 ply sidewalls
2023-04-17_02-39-01 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

 

[rsmwrangler]

They seem to have a different sidewall lettering?
One side
2023-04-17_02-39-11 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

then the other
2023-04-17_02-39-16 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

 

[AustyPosty]

They seem to have a different sidewall lettering?
One side
2023-04-17_02-39-11 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

then the other
2023-04-17_02-39-16 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

Looking forward to your thoughts on the tire. Curious to see how many miles you get out of them!

 

[Pressurized]

They seem to have a different sidewall lettering?
One side
2023-04-17_02-39-11 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

then the other
2023-04-17_02-39-16 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

Yeah, the letters on one side are closer to the tread and on the other side they are closer to the bead... Interesting. My original Pat's are finally starting to show more wear. Still wearing flat though.

And as always, a 35ish anything is taller than a KO2...

 

[rsmwrangler]

Yeah, the letters on one side are closer to the tread and on the other side they are closer to the bead... Interesting. My original Pat's are finally starting to show more wear. Still wearing flat though.

And as always, a 35ish anything is taller than a KO2...

I guess that's why they have a red and a yellow line marker all across the tire. I'll have them installed with the yellow out, so the letters are close to the bead.

 

[rsmwrangler]

I’ll post measurements of my KO2’s next just cause it’s fun to compare. I’ll do it from the top of the tire and also from the the edge lip which is what I measure to dial the tire size in the tcm to adjust speedo. Then match with gps.

Will also post same tire measurements once I get the MT02s installed.